Klipsch family is what it boils down to. I've run across several that are Klipsch diehards, they swear by them and nothing else compares or matters.
Personally, I couldn't care what they prefer. I, like others, have a brand I too stand by. Maybe someday I'll be able to hang with the big dogs and own a set of something I can talk smack about...*grinz
A review of the heresy III's from a reviewer that I have bought products on his recommendation/s with no ill affects. Basically I have trusted him since the 90's.
@mrdecibel wrote: "Interesting that he is saying " if you like female vocal, like Diana Krall, or other female vocals like her, I can see using this speaker ".
So he's saying these Klipsh speakers, with their horn midrange and horn tweeter, are good for female vocals?
Why, that's an outright heresy!!
I didn’t click the link to see if he was out of line, take you guys word he is. My reply was in regards to the Klipsch community. We all know how speaker manufacturers go, some are really good, some are best, and some mass produce for the average consumer, and some combine good with lower end mass consumer products.
People love to hate history, but there are an awful lot of things like this its hard to see how anyone has any chance of ever understanding without understanding the history.
So many things we take for granted today simply did not exist back when Paul came out with the Klipschorn. The biggest one, the one that really matters most yet is probably hardest for anyone under 60 to believe, is that back then a high power amplifier might have made, by the standards of today, maybe as much as two or even three watts.
Back then amps, if they were rated at all, were peak not RMS, and tested cold not hot, and hardly ever across the full 20-20kHz we take for granted today. I know this for a fact because buying my first stereo back in 1970 they bragged about its 8 watts or whatever it was not being peak.
So even as recent as 1970 amps making more than a handful of watts - even as measured by the lax standards of the day - were very uncommon. Paul Klipsch introduced the Klipschorn way before that, in 1946. He not only patented the design, but built it to standards significantly higher than was the norm at the time.
Easy to knock it now, but the fact is Klipsch came out with the perfect technology, and the perfect product, at the perfect time. Klipsch dominated for something like 30 years.
Then another company came out with a completely different design that could actually compete with the Klipsch in terms of volume and slam and smoothness, except that it was incredibly inefficient. Which didn't matter, because the same company also came out with a monster 300 watt amp!
That company was Bose.
The amp went nowhere but it didn't matter. Both companies, Klipsch and Bose, came out with products so much better than anything else around at the time they dominated to such an extent they became almost synonymous with high end audio. Which wasn't even a thing back then. They were something even better. They were "good stereo". If you wanted a "good stereo" that was it. Not that anyone ever had it. Not the point. Its the impression.
Then along came this one guy who wondered what would happen if you seriously studied exactly what it takes to reproduce sound at a level and quality people will actually start to feel like its real. How loud would it have to be? How immersive? How free of distortion? Across what frequency range? And exactly how would you measure all that, for consistency, so we can be sure we're all talking about the same thing?
Another thing we take for granted. But back when Tomlinson Holman began his eXperiments the movies people went to see typically featured one 12" or maybe 15" speaker somewhere behind the screen. The first movie to be released in theaters using sound systems based on Holmans early work became a big hit. It was a long time ago in a neighborhood far far away but you may have heard of it: Star Wars.
Within just a few years you couldn't watch a movie or shop for a stereo without seeing the THX logo. Who knows THX came from Tomlinson Holman eXperiment? Unfortunately for THX they didn't really have a product. They could only license a logo, based on a standard. Which was such a good standard it became, uh, standard across the industry. Which is why after going supernova it has now faded from sight.
History. Fascinating subject. Really don't get why more don't get it. How else you gonna understand that Klipsch, like Bose and THX, is really a victim of its own success?
The older Klipsch speakers were pretty good. The newer smaller models are not that good. Very cool/shrill sounding speakers IMO.Interesting, I feel quite the opposite. The never cared for the original Heresy speakers but I feel the /III model is quite nice. The new crossovers are much better balanced and make a much more pleasant listening experience, IMO. But we all have differing ears and preferences.
I have had several older Klipsch as well as their latest Heresy
the titanium drivers are very decent , the connectors ,wiring and Xover
suck bad cheap junk no name parts . I ended up redoing myself with over $600
just in parts , but totally transformed them . Even in the Classic Khorn
same junk Xover parts ,Which is a disgrace for such a great speaker, not even 1 name brand Quality resistor,or Capacitor,inductor . I just don’t get it .
i bought $10k marten Logan last year ,again lower quality parts, their $80k flagship has the lower quality white
mundorf Evo capacitiors. Where is their dam pride? You would think
at least Their flagship silver gold oil ,on a $80k speaker I would expect
Duelund cast capacitors.
I had the 901's then got the KHorns. KHorns did kick ass. Not the 901s sorry Bose Folks. The Bose claim to fame was you could play them louder than most before distortion kicked in. Problem was you had to listen too.
The heavy fellow in the Rant is right about one thing: Hearsay speakers
should be deemed inadmissible. haha
I also had 901's back in the day. Hang em in the air with macrame and burn incense!, and other stuff.
I learned thru trial and error. I have a pair of Heresy 3s and Cornwall 3s (amongst others) these days. Heresy is bedroom and I rotate the Cornwalls in the main room occasionally. Looking forward to building a Cornscala for fun in the future.
Interesting that he is saying " if you like female vocal, like Diana Krall, or other female vocals like her, I can see using this speaker ".That statement, along with the fact he's a CV fan, just proves he hasn't much experience with really good speakers. The Heresys are respectable with vocals at their price point, but they're far less refined in that regard than a good British monitor, even after damping the horns.
A review of the heresy III's from a reviewer that I have bought products on his recommendation/s with no ill affects. Basically I have trusted him since the 90's.I own a pair of H-IIIs (and four pairs of pricier speakers) and I mostly agree with his assessments.
For low-volume, late-night listening, the H-IIIs with a 20 watt tube amp are hard to beat.
Any speaker at the $2K price point has strengths and considerable weaknesses. What the H-IIIs lack in bass extension they more than make up for with bass speed and definition. What they lack in refinement they make up for with a lively and dynamic sound.
Millercarbon, back in 1970, it was difficult finding very low powered amplifiers. That’s when I was first buying stereo, and 30wpc rms amps were moderate powered, and it was not unusual finding them them 80-90 wpc rms. Granted, they weren’t the 400 watt IPP/ch that Lafayette and the like advertised, these were true watts, from McIntosh, Marantz, Fisher, etc. Heck, if you knew where to, you could get a 350 wpc rms Phase Linear model 700!
@jburidan- I to know a fair few audiophiles that would not touch a horn sqweaker with a barge pole. I know three personally that would and do.
Its true nothing stirs the hi-fi blood more than horns, except maybe Tekton speakers.
@helomech- Klipschorns also are very good for late night listening at a low level with SS rather than tube for me.
Everyone likes something different. All I can say is that if you install the item in YOUR ROOM and like it, buy it. Forget all the comments from myself and others.
Personally, in our showroom we set up several Klipsch speaker sets (one at a time, of course) and the various Bose items and LISTENED to them and then tried other speakers, one after another.
PERSONALLY, the Magnepan products sounded better than any other speaker of ANY TYPE, and the Fulton 80 and 100 box speakers were more accurate than any of the other boxes even given their narrower frequency response measurements, if you are in to such things. We just kind of listened to the music and then played our various instruments live and picked the speakers that sounded most like the instruments (LONG story--I was trying to determine ACCURACY at the time--1974).
The funniest speakers and the ones that made us wonder how they ever got on the market were the 901 "Direct Reflecting" models. We got the point--dipole radiators work--but no matter how we set them up or where we placed them, next to almost every other speaker they were hilariously bad. This was 1974 and I remember it like yesterday. It was a learning experience for all of us as we brought no prejudice to the testing. We were just starting to learn about music reproduction even though we all played instruments. The speakers we LOVED in college (Large Advent's) were simply HORRIBLE. We were very humbled by the experience.
I suggest you take whatever you like home, listen to it in YOUR ROOM, and buy whatever YOU like and forget all my comments and everyone else's unless you think they will help you decide. MANY components today are fabulous and do a superb job of reproducing recorded music.
Most importantly, HAVE FUN with it. It is MUSIC!
Schubert ( and others that do not like Klipsch, or horns for that matter ), and what speakers are you listening to ? It is interesting, that from another room, my updated and modified Lascalas can sound like a live band, or orchestra, is in there playing, which is why I have them. I have been an advocate and a fan boy of the 5 Heritage models for 50 years and have been modifying them for myself and many others, with excellent results. Never boring, always engaging, always enjoying, and, still amazed at the lifelike qualities of any recordings that come my way. To each his / her own. Enjoy my friend ! MrD.
Mr Rossi, from what I have heard him say is that he bids on garages that people have let go presumably people have not paid the monthly bill. He has said he bid on a garage and won the bid of $240. He said it was full of vintage 'old' equipment. he, in one of his videos spouts off how good a pair of Sansui speakers were (probably from the garage bid win). I saw then on ebay for $399. I've no personal issue with him or his business practices. I think nearly all of his video's have had the comments closed. Wonder why? lol.......
I was not kidding . I sold them for biggest Klipsch dealer in the country
at that time .The big corner horns playing symphony was a you are there from next room. In the room highs were an ear-bleeder . Perhaps that is rectified. My speakers now are Gallo, Totem , Meadowlark, Rega and Omega .The most natural and harmonic are the Omega Super Alnico Monitors. As close to live music as it gets .
I would love to have a pr of Altec horns from the 60-70's .
New Heresy IIIs, with a well sorted ancillaries, can sound tremendous...mine certainly do, and, of course, need subs (I use 2 RELs) for full range results...coherent, immediate, clear, and they seem to have an oft mentioned "live" sound (whatever that means...but owners likely agree) that appeals to me anyway. Very well made internals with nice wiring and everything sorted perfectly by folks in Hope, AK. A somewhat unique speaker that sits on the floor and looks up at you, doesn't block the view of my amp (tube glow makes me happy), and brings out the best in whatever I'm listening to...highly recommended. Ken Micallef's "followup" review: https://www.stereophile.com/content/listening-119-ken-micallef-june-2018
Schubert, I know you were not kidding, which is why I responded. I an guessing, you never set up a pair ( or heard a pair ) in a consumers home, using proper electronics ( back then Mcintosh tube gear was the match ), and heard them play symphony ( given the front end to be good as well ). If you had heard them play with tube gear, you would be the only listener I ever ran across that felt they were ear bleeders, unless the volume level was ridiculously loud, which was very easy to do. I understand not every speaker is for everyone, but I believe your experiences are inadequate to interpretation. But, no need to go on with this. You enjoy your 5 pair of speakers, and I will enjoy my non ear-bleeding Lascalas. All good my friend. MrD.
Klipsch are what got me "serious" about this hobby. I've always had stereos, turntables, etc. since I was a teenager, but nothing of "audiophile" quality and as my finances allowed I focused more on home theater than 2 channel audio.
I was at a local hifi dealer right after the Klipsch RF-7 II came out and remember being completely blown away by the sound of those speakers. I had never heard Black Cow by Steely Dan sound so good. They were very detailed and "live" sounding and the bass was incredible, at least compared to what I had heard at that time. The first thing I did was look for a subwoofer, but there wasn't one.
My budget at the time didn't allow me to purchase the RF-7 II's, but I did find a cherry pair of CF-3 speakers. They were unfortunately version 3, not I, but still sounded amazing.
That started me on a journey of buying mostly Klipsch speakers for quite a while. I eventually broadened my horizons, and have owned many other brands since then and the Klipsch are no longer my main speakers, but I still have a few pairs of Klipsch speakers including a pair of KLF-30s with Crites upgrades (mids, tweeters, and crossovers) and a pair of Heresy I speakers with Crites upgrades (woofers, mids, tweeters, and crossovers). I still enjoy them on a daily basis.
I do agree that they can sound harsh or too bright in some circumstances. I belong to a local music club and we get together every month and listen to music on some high end gear. We have listened to La Scalas with an Anthem STR integrated and with a Primaluna integrated (I don't recall which one) and with the Anthem, at high volumes they hurt my ears.
To a person, everyone else in the club loves the sound of the La Scalas, so I'm the odd man out. To me, they sound amazing up to a point, but beyond that they hurt my ears, and I like loud music. To me, my KLF-30s can play much louder without that harshness on the top end, but they don't create the sense of space and dynamics the La Scalas do.
Like the La Scalas, the Heresy can be a little bright at high volumes, but I have them in an office system being driven by an ARC Vsi-55 tube integrated and rarely play them loud. Until the volume gets really loud, they are very listenable. It's a near field system, they are only about 6 feet from my listening spot, and they do not irritate or fatigue me.
I understand why some people don't like them and that's totally OK. Sometimes I don't like them, but overall I think they represent a great value and are fun to listen to and bring you close to a "live" experience.
Although I would never trust a reviewer to pick out my own personal speakers for me, I remember a few years back a reviewer at Stereophile (Sam Tellig) reviewed the new Heritage version La Scala, and he gave that speaker a class A , limited low frequency recommendation. He really liked the speaker! I almost bought a pair a few years ago for a second system, but didn't have the room for the La Scala's and a sub. The speakers to my ears didn't sound bright or hard at all.