Great Qobuz streamer. Upgrade from Bluesound Node 2


I use a Bluesound Node 2.  Upgraded from Spotify Premium.  Very pleased with Qobuz .Now I want to get the best streamer.  Budget max $ 3,000.Thank you.
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I use a Bryston BCD3, just a bit outside your price range.  They just added Qobuz The software program for the Bryston, Manic Moose, is a mess.  It doesn’t navigate Qobuz, or anything else for that matter, very well.  I also have to say that when I compare the Bryston to my Bluesound Node2, the Bryston is a significant upgrade while listening to CDS that have been burned to my NAS.  Qobuz also sounds better on the Bryston, but the gap between it and the Bluesound isn’t quite as apparent (but it’s there). Ymmv, perhaps depending upon your bandwidth, how you connect, etc.  Qobuz isn’t my primary source, and given the frustrations of dealing with Manic Moose, lately I’ve just been listening to it with Bluesound.
I have been a Roon user for a few years and my last upgrade was to purchase a Roon Nucleus Plus, which I highly recommend.  They also sell a Roon Nucleus, but I decided to opt for the Plus model (faster processor, more memory).  The only "downside" is that it only has USB ports; if your DAC sounds its best with the USB input (as mine does), you should be "good", but if you need a coax or optical feed to the DAC, the Roon Nucleus or Nucleus plus would not be an option for you.

If you are good with doing your own installs, you might opt for an Intel NUC and do your own install of the Roon core...a lot less money than the Roon branded NUC.
+1  on the DAC recommendation to pair to the Node2.  I'm doing this on my 2nd system pairing the Node2 to a Benchmark DAC3 ($1500).  I have no desire at this point to upgrade the streamer.
My advice would be to keep the Node and start with a good DAC. My personal favorite is the Chord Qutest, and it should work great with your Node 2. I have had my Qutest paired with a Node 2i. More recently I picked up a Roon Nucleus, and am now using the Nucleus via USB (in my case Curious USB Cable) to the Nucleus .... and simply love it. That combo in its entirety would more than likely bust your budget. But if you take a stepping stone approach, a good DAC would be the very first item on my road map and will give you the best bang for the buck in terms of enhanced SQ.
I'm in the "add a DAC" camp. Streamers are dependant on interfaces and it's likely new music sources will continue to appear. BluOS has a good interface that seems to be flexible. I read a lot of comments about higher end streamers that say something like "It's great, but... (something less than positives about the interface). Streaming is a pretty rapidly evolving space, I'd hate to dump a bunch of money into something that's obsolete in a couple of years or can't play a new service that comes out. DACs are also still evolving, but a really good or great sounding DAC should still sound great years from now. 
I recommend Lumin. We decided to carry them after evaluating the software stack, build quality, and sound character.
nekoaudio how is the Lumin app with Android devices? I had a Lumin a couple of years ago but couldn’t get the Android app to work very well.  Has it caught up with the Apple app?
LUMIN. I’m delighted with mine. Tidal with it sounds wonderful.  With the LUMIN I have, a good Ethernet cable has been better than any USB I tried— almost a necesssity. . WireWorld makes Cat.  8 Ethernets these days. Look into those as well — they’re another big help
I added a Schiit Gungnir Multibit DAC to my Bluesound Node 2. It’s proven itself to be a very satisfying combination.  
I think it would help to understand the rest of the system and what, if anything, you don’t like about the Node. 
I’m in the upgrade the DAC first camp. Listen to the Benchmark DAC 3 and compare it to those others have recommended. And you’ll be under your budget. 
I just spent approximately $3,000 for the Audiolab 6000N play (great streaming interface)
and Exogal Comet plus Dac and I am very happy with both!
Innuous Zen MK3, right at your budget and will rip any possible CD’s to its 1TB hard drive. Very well reviewed and seen at many audio shows.
happy hunting.

A. Dump the 2. Buy the new 2i. Net cost = + $300. Reviews are out- read them.

B. Buy the Line Magnetic DAC $2,300 if you can get one. If the wait is too long then buy a Black Ice DAC $800. The way this technology is advancing I would  strongly consider going cheap ($800) knowing
 2 years = new ballgame

C. Change to Amazon HiRez Streaming. $13/month. 

Merry Christmas!
How about this...
https://www.magnahifi.com/en/webshop/product/mano-ultra

I have one of these using Volumio to control it with the Quobuz plugin. It only has Coax out for general use, but it also has I2S via HDMI to connect to an Audio-Gd DAC, I have the R2R7, but the 8 is almost as good and a lot cheaper. You get the lot for around £3K.
I am using Auralic Femto from 2 years. Great streamer with external linear PSU. They just redesigned the Lightening DS app past week and it is super fast now. But before you invest in streamer... buy good USB cable like Tellurium Diamond. I found it has one of the greatest impacts to streamer or PC application. I switched from 100$ Wireworld (Red) and it was WOW, the exclamation was never so obvious in case of streamer upgrade. Then invest in DAC. Having both look for better streamer. But focus on usage comfort rather than quality improvement. This technology is still under development.
I use Node 2i and chord Qutest and am very happy.
used Node 2i on its own for 3 months while I looked for a DAC I liked.

prior, I had Apple TV running to a cheap peachtree DACiT.

i am not sure, nor has anyone made an objective case, how spending more on a streamer (alone) increases sound quality.

i also use Qobuz and it integrates with Bluesound seemlessly.
the Bluesound interface and integration capabilities work for me. As always, YMMV
I have two Node 2i acting as streamers only, with all unnecessary functions disabled, including volume. The service is Qobuz Studio (hi-res)

One Node is feeding an all Lab12 system including the Lab12 Dac1 Special Edition. The other Node is supplying a iFi Retro 50 system using the Retro’s own dac. In both cases the dacs are connected using Bluejeans spdif cables. Works perfectly and the Bluesound software works seamlessly.

Lab12 are about to release a Reference Edition of the Dac1, which decodes up to 24/192. The Special Edition version tops at 24/96, but that didn’t stop me. Some very favourable reviews online and I am very happy with mine.
I tested my Node 2i using the internal dac and also an Antelope Zodiac with linear power supply switching between the inputs on my amp.

I could not tell a difference in sound, I would use the internal dac for a while before you rush out and buy another dac.
What you guys think of chip dacs compared to R2R dacs like Denafrips Ares II?
Lumin for sure.  I have had the A-1 and X-1.  Great sound, Great App and easy to use.  Wait for one that is used.
+3 Innuos Zen Mk3.  Darko has an informative video review that I found to be pretty interesting and fairly impressive.  As good as the Node is, this seems like a significant step up in every way if you’re looking for an upgrade. 

That said and as good as the Zen is, this streaming stuff is still in its infancy so I’d be a little concerned about committing significant $ at this point.  You might actually get a bigger improvement by putting upwards of $3k towards an excellent DAC, and you can enjoy that until the streamer market matures a bit.  I don’t think you’ll go wrong with the Zen, but it’s just which path makes more sense given the current state of things.  Best of luck in whatever you decide. 


I have the node 2i and bought a AURALiC g1 streamer . The AURALiC build quality was fantastic and the interface was sweet , but guess which one is still in the system ? .... the node 2i
I would stay with the Node 2i and use Tidal to stream MQA.  I added a Pro-Ject DAC to my Node 2i connecting by way of Audioquest Carbon coax and found the Node 2i played by itself sounded better.  For some reason, I like MQA.  

What kind of speakers and amplifier do you have?  Maybe you might spend your money upgrading those instead.
  Not my thread , but streaming a laptop to a Schiit Yiggy via a Cardas Clear USB . Considering the Node 2i , but also the Project Stream Box Ultra S2. Cable choice made a huge difference . Looking forward to what you do, please post . Regards, Mike B. 
I just got the NAD M10 and it sounds much better than the Bluesound Node 2i/Yamaha integrated amp I replaced it with, right in your price range.
What do you guys think of using a PS Audio Bridge 2 with a PS Audio Direct Stream Dac?

Can Qoboz be configured?

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It and Tidal are embedded in the MControl software along with Deezer, vTuner annd Spotify.
Iam in the same boat as well. Using Windows 10 system with JPlay+Fidelizer feeding Chord Qutest DAC. Will I get sonic benefits if I move the source from laptop to Bluesound node 2i.
I use a Vault 2i with a NAD M51 and it sounds great.   I say add a great DAC too.