It's kind of a real shame that we focus so much on tweeters, when they put out so little.
Having said that, yeah, I'm a big fan of GOOD AMTs.
Having said that, yeah, I'm a big fan of GOOD AMTs.
Here we go again. If you don’t like the speakers I like, something must be wrong with you or you're a Bo alias.
"How little can you trust on this forum." The OP’s post was about what he listened to with his own ears, not based on what someone told him. He prefers one speaker over another, it isn't the end of the world. There are no absolutes in Audio, only preferences.
I'm not putting down anything I just found the monitor audio a better speaker and had more three-dimensional sound and the Tweeter was much smoother and more natural sounding. I find the beryllium Tweeter bright and the paradigm 7f is 25000 which I think is way overpriced the Platinum 300 are only 18,000 and sound better and look way better.
Haven’t heard the Monitor Audio’s but have heard the Persona 5f’s with their Anthem electronics and found them smooth and effortless sounding. It makes sense the room correction features of the Anthem electronics are a good match but I certainly didn’t find the Be tweeters harsh. Full disclosure, I own Paradigm Studio 100 V5 speakers and am a fan of the higher end Paradigm speakers.
I didn't find the tweeters harsh I found them bright and in my face the symbol should have a brassy sound not an edgy sound and like I said the monitors are much more human-sounding and real sounding than the paradigm in my opinion someone else may have a different opinion when they hear both and that's okay but I believe that the driver technology that monitors using is way ahead of paradigm with the new RDT ll drivers and the MPD Tweeter.
well I can guarantee you if you listen to the Platinum 300 or 200 and the paradigm side-by-side which will be hard to do you won't be buying the paradigms the monitors throw a huge three-dimensional soundstage just unbelievable and that MPD Twitter is so sweet the cymbals sound so natural and real not like the beryllium Tweeter where the cymbal sounds metallic and edgy and in your face.
I must say owning both products....Hands down the Monitor Audio platinum 300’s. In fact they were bought as my home theater front left and right speakers. I made a quick change. The MA’s are now my two channel go to’s!!!
unfortunately not even close in terms of depth, tight base and wider soundstage. I say unfortunately because I paid a significant amount of money for the paras...
Hey audio Troy I’ll put those nine ages up against the Platinum 500 any day of the week they will absolutely destroy them the bass is so much faster, tighter, articulate on the platinum’s and that MPD tweeter is way more open and natural-sounding then the beryllium and guess what they only cost twenty seven thousand and they look about a million times better too with the Santos rosewood or the ebony high gloss finish. The paradigms are nowhere near as 3D sounding as the monitors the monitor through a wider deeper sound stage and the layering of the instruments is much better as well if you think the $500 crap you are full of crap. That’s why Robert Deutsch a reviewer from stereophile chose the 300 as his new reference he didn’t choose paradigm DID He?LOL maybe you should go read his review dumbass.
Kef more musical than the monitor audio Platinum I don't know what you're listening to cuz I listen to calf and I didn't find them anywhere near as musical and accurate is platinum but to each his own and I think that the monitor audio Platinum is there in the top three speakers in the world right now that AMT Tweeter that they designed is untouchable and the three-dimensionality of this speaker is absolutely beautiful it's one of the very few speakers that I know of that can show up all the properties of sound properly.
Urbie you sound remarkably like Bo1972, please explain the properties of sound that you are mentioning.
As per the Monitors or even the Personas being in the top three loudspeakers in the world that is a good laugh. We would consider that both of these loudspeaker would be in the secondary class of great loudspeakers for the money, along with Kef, B&W, Dynaudio,
Top three loudspeakers: by our ratings, Kharma Veryron series, Tidal/Vimberg, Wilson Alexx, XLF, along with Rockport Arakis and a few others.
We couldn’t disagree more, with your pronouncements about the Monitors,
We had an original pair of the PL 300 MK 1 traded in and their top end was very hot, the redesigned second generation, MK II were too dull.
We heard a few pairs at Axpona, and at CAP and the speakers were good but hardly awe inducing.
Now to be fair the Paradigm Personas can also sound a bit forward, however when setup correctly they are more holographic and even more transparent with greater dynamics.
The Persona 3F are remarkable sounding when driven by good electronics we know of no other $10k speaker that can touch them for the price.
Perhaps you ought to listen to a pair well set up, you might be a bit surprised.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ Persona dealers
Really Urbie, the Wilson Alexx is bettered by the PL 500? Sure.
How about the Kharma Veryon?
How about the Focal Utopia series?
How about the Tidals?
Sure they are.
It is interesting that no one here other than Bo1972 feels like you do certainly feels like you are the same person.
We are not saying that the PL 500 aren't good speakers they are decent speakers but in the pantheon of world's greatest speakers they are not.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
Are you kidding me the Focal Utopias? that's a joke in fact the distributor of monitor audio in North America met dealer of focal here in Canada and he put every speaker series that they have bronze silver gold and platinum up against the equally costing Focals and the Focal dealer said that every monitor audio and every price category was better than the Focal and is now becoming a monitor audio dealer so if you're talking about Focalyou don't know what you're talkin about,and as for the 500 going up against the Wilson Alexx I talked to somebody on here that put his 500 up against the Alexx and the magico and he said the five hundreds were better and just so you know what kind of system I have. Simaudio p8 W8 esoteric p10 transport wyred4sound 10th anniversary dac which is one of the most analog sounding dacs on the market right now. My wiring is all Harmonic Technology OCC single crystal wire and my new speaker is the Platinum 200 generation 2 which is way better than the three 5 or 7 from paradigm I don't care how you set those speakers up they will never be as three-dimensional and as deep and wide soundstage as the monitors and just read the post from the guy that had both and he said the monitors were way better in all those areas so like I said if you like bright edgy sound that's your choice I choose a speaker that sounds like it does naturally the human voice cymbols piano and I should know cuz I played French horn in the Vancouver symphony orchestra so I guarantee my ear is more tuned to what instruments sound like naturally than yours.
Audio Troy you and contuzzi are just paradigm dealers so naturally you're going to push paradigm you're so biased your eyes are brown. I even listen to a pair of Raidho's that were $70,000 and the five hundreds were still more three-dimensional and better. monitors driver technology which is all done in-house is so far ahead of everybody else it's not even funny. Paradigm don't even design their own tweeter and mid-range it's out sourced and they copied the way monitor makes their cabinets cuz they realized it was the best way to do it.
I now understand the meaning of a "forum troll".
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One who intentionally posts on an internet forum to gain attention rather than contribute actual content. Some trolls may appear to contribute and may actually have meaningful posts, but the posts will be made in such a way that content is overlooked by design.
There too many other variables involved. Either speaker can sound better than the other. Both are exceptional speakers. I’m a big fan of both companies.
They are both built incredibly well and sound exceptional and look beautiful in there own ways. I’d have a hard time picking between the two.
And yes, punctuation is nice when someone is going to read a long post made by you. It helps with reader speed and understanding.
Gee Urbie you write like Bo, you talk about the six properties of sound, sounds a lot like Bo, also with the same fanatically beliefs that the Monitors are better than every other loudspeaker.
We feel that a well set up pair of Personas on warmer electronics, right source and cables do certain things extremely well and have certain advantages, very efficient, room tune able deep bass for the 9H, and they are extremely holographic, but do they sound better than a $120k pair of speakers hat are so much bigger no they are not, we do feel they compete with the speakers such as the Wilson Sasha, and the Alexia, but certainly not Grande Utopia or Scala Utopia level, nor Wilson Alex, nor Rockport Arakis either.
As per your ridiculous notion that the $119k Wilson Alex’s are bright, we heard them at CAP last year on a Krell Duo 300 and an Illusion 2 preamp and the sound was extraordinary one of the best sounds at the show.
We would not include either the Persona 9H or the Monitor PL 500 in that same class of huge image size, effortless dynamics, deep bass and smooth overall presentation, close but not as good.
We would agree with you the the PL 500 do represent a fantastic value for a very large amount of sound.
Wilson’s are hardly bright sounding. The point that you made about hearing the Personas on a different system in a different environment shows you lack perspective, that doesn’t mean your heard the Personas setup correctly, the same way that any pair of high end loudspeakers can sound less than exemplary.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
I am a proud owner of a Personas 9H.
True, the Personas can sound bright and thin with the wrong partners, but with careful setup and a good tube amp (at least in my case) the sound can be very natural and holographic.
I have listened the MA PL300 II several times with Pass amps, and I find the sound a little dull and boring.
really cuz I've heard them with pass amps r and they sounded excellent way more holographic and 3D than anything that paradigm makes that Tweeter and midrange are so bright it's not even funny the MPD Twitter that monitor uses is so much better and more lifelike and natural and the bass is way faster tighter more articulate on the Platinum. Go back through these posts and see what j worth had to say he owns both and he said unfortunately he paid a lot for the paradigm and the platinum's were better in every area.