I'm not putting down anything I just found the monitor audio a better speaker and had more three-dimensional sound and the Tweeter was much smoother and more natural sounding. I find the beryllium Tweeter bright and the paradigm 7f is 25000 which I think is way overpriced the Platinum 300 are only 18,000 and sound better and look way better. |
well I can guarantee you if you listen to the Platinum 300 or 200 and the paradigm side-by-side which will be hard to do you won't be buying the paradigms the monitors throw a huge three-dimensional soundstage just unbelievable and that MPD Twitter is so sweet the cymbals sound so natural and real not like the beryllium Tweeter where the cymbal sounds metallic and edgy and in your face. |
I didn't find the tweeters harsh I found them bright and in my face the symbol should have a brassy sound not an edgy sound and like I said the monitors are much more human-sounding and real sounding than the paradigm in my opinion someone else may have a different opinion when they hear both and that's okay but I believe that the driver technology that monitors using is way ahead of paradigm with the new RDT ll drivers and the MPD Tweeter. |
Hey audio Troy I’ll put those nine ages up against the Platinum 500 any day of the week they will absolutely destroy them the bass is so much faster, tighter, articulate on the platinum’s and that MPD tweeter is way more open and natural-sounding then the beryllium and guess what they only cost twenty seven thousand and they look about a million times better too with the Santos rosewood or the ebony high gloss finish. The paradigms are nowhere near as 3D sounding as the monitors the monitor through a wider deeper sound stage and the layering of the instruments is much better as well if you think the $500 crap you are full of crap. That’s why Robert Deutsch a reviewer from stereophile chose the 300 as his new reference he didn’t choose paradigm DID He?LOL maybe you should go read his review dumbass. |
Kef more musical than the monitor audio Platinum I don't know what you're listening to cuz I listen to calf and I didn't find them anywhere near as musical and accurate is platinum but to each his own and I think that the monitor audio Platinum is there in the top three speakers in the world right now that AMT Tweeter that they designed is untouchable and the three-dimensionality of this speaker is absolutely beautiful it's one of the very few speakers that I know of that can show up all the properties of sound properly. |
Are you kidding me the Focal Utopias? that's a joke in fact the distributor of monitor audio in North America met dealer of focal here in Canada and he put every speaker series that they have bronze silver gold and platinum up against the equally costing Focals and the Focal dealer said that every monitor audio and every price category was better than the Focal and is now becoming a monitor audio dealer so if you're talking about Focalyou don't know what you're talkin about,and as for the 500 going up against the Wilson Alexx I talked to somebody on here that put his 500 up against the Alexx and the magico and he said the five hundreds were better and just so you know what kind of system I have. Simaudio p8 W8 esoteric p10 transport wyred4sound 10th anniversary dac which is one of the most analog sounding dacs on the market right now. My wiring is all Harmonic Technology OCC single crystal wire and my new speaker is the Platinum 200 generation 2 which is way better than the three 5 or 7 from paradigm I don't care how you set those speakers up they will never be as three-dimensional and as deep and wide soundstage as the monitors and just read the post from the guy that had both and he said the monitors were way better in all those areas so like I said if you like bright edgy sound that's your choice I choose a speaker that sounds like it does naturally the human voice cymbols piano and I should know cuz I played French horn in the Vancouver symphony orchestra so I guarantee my ear is more tuned to what instruments sound like naturally than yours. |
Audio Troy you and contuzzi are just paradigm dealers so naturally you're going to push paradigm you're so biased your eyes are brown. I even listen to a pair of Raidho's that were $70,000 and the five hundreds were still more three-dimensional and better. monitors driver technology which is all done in-house is so far ahead of everybody else it's not even funny. Paradigm don't even design their own tweeter and mid-range it's out sourced and they copied the way monitor makes their cabinets cuz they realized it was the best way to do it. |
And if you don't believe the five hundreds of better than the Wilson Alex why don't you do a side-by-side comparison and then it'll shut your mouth once and for all or maybe it won't cuz you like bright edgy sound LOL |
Oh and by the way audio Troy since you probably didn't read the review and stereophile Robert Deutsch said that the Platinum 300 was better than the Wilson that he had there before like I said he chose that as his new reference he didn't buy Wilson and he sure didn't by paradigm LOL |
I really don't care what you think about my punctuation but when a guy has both and he says that the monitors were way better and he wasted a lot of money on the paradigms got to tell you something doesn't it. |
And since I'm the one that started this forum, I can post on here as much as I like and if you don't like it too bad!!! |
Audio Troy now you're lying never once did I say that the Alexx were bright. Maybe you should go re-read my posts and tell me where I said the Alexx were bright. If you're going to flap your gums at least tell the truth. |
I didn't say the monitor did invent the technique but the platinum's did come out before the persona series. And I did go listen to the paradigms in a paradigm dealers store so if they weren't set up properly I guess he's pretty stupid.
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really cuz I've heard them with pass amps r and they sounded excellent way more holographic and 3D than anything that paradigm makes that Tweeter and midrange are so bright it's not even funny the MPD Twitter that monitor uses is so much better and more lifelike and natural and the bass is way faster tighter more articulate on the Platinum. Go back through these posts and see what j worth had to say he owns both and he said unfortunately he paid a lot for the paradigm and the platinum's were better in every area. |
Ilumnia Magister. Never heard of them. |
Check out the monitor audio Platinum 200 and 300 generation 2.they're way more three-dimensional than paradigm also the imaging and depth is better the layering between the instruments you can hear that are in space the cymbal sound more brassy. The voice more human and all the instruments sound more real and natural. The paradigms have a very forward top end. The cymbals have a metallic sound instead of a brassy sound the voice sounds more hard piano doesn't have that woodiness and the same with the string bass and violins you can't hear that woodiness. |
This is my final word on this subject. Just look up the comments that jworth made on page 1 of this blog. He owns both the monitor audio Platinum 300 generation 2 and paradigm, and he said the Platinum 300 were better in width depth tighter bass and he said unfortunately I paid a lot of money for the paradigms so there's your answer on which is the better speaker and if you put them side-by-side audio Troy the same thing will happen but unfortunately you're too stupid to admit the truth because you sell paradigm. |
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That's the difference between monitor audio and n paradigm and monitor audio isn't dull to say the least but monitor audio works well with most gear unfortunately the paradigm doesn't that's why I believe the monitor on you is a better speaker cuz it will work extremely well with 95% of the gear out there paradigm won't. And as for gear I told you that I have the simaudio pawa which is regarded as one of the top 5 amps and preamps in the world still even though it's been discontinued. So if paradigm doesn't work with that doesn't say much doesn't because the monitors work extremely well and also pass labs which is again extremely good gear and since I heard the monitor platinum's on pass labs and the paradigm on pass labs and the monitor was far superior what can I say and Jworth tried them both on the same gear he put the monitors into his two-channel system where he had the paradigm so on the same gear the monitor was much better so that kind of shoots your theory down doesn't it?and if you think the monitor sounds dull you should get your hearing checked cuz obviously you like bright forward sound and that's not natural. And if you read the review by Robert Deutsch from stereophile he said that the monitor 200 and 300 were the most lifelike speakers he's heard and that's why he chose the 300 as his new reference. |
And Robert Deutsch had the Wilson's in there before he brought in the Platinum 300 lls. And he said the Platinum were better than the Wilson. I've listened to Wilson focal sonus Faber here in Vancouver. Didn't think too much of the Wilson or focal, but I really love the Sonus Faber,very natural sounding except the soundstage was not as wide and deep as the Platinum. I don't understand how you don't get that monitor audio Platinum are world-class speakers, they beat Wilson,Magico,Raidho and many other high-end companies that are charging ridiculous amounts of money for a pair of speakers and their driver technology is way ahead of many many companies. Unlike many other companies that spend a ton of money on marketing they have decided to put that money into research and development that's why monitor audios name is not that well known in North America but yet they are the number one selling speaker in great Britain. I have listened to the monitor audio 500 here in Vancouver and I can tell you without a doubt that it will leave the paradigm 9h and many other higher price speakers in the dust it's that much better and it only cost thirty eight thousand as opposed to the paradigm which is 35 and nowhere near as well built. |
Big deal so they'll be bright and hard sounding in any room so what the five hundreds of still a way better sounding speaker better bass better imaging better depth better three-dimensionality just better everything and I'm not smearing paradigm I'm just stating a fact the monitor audio is a much better sounding speaker. And I know this dealer personally and he wouldn't lie. So don't go smearing a dealer that you know nothing about. And like I said I'll put my system up against anything you got in your store and I guarantee you mine will leave yours way far in the dust. |
Also audio Troy which Vancouver dealer are you talkin about? I didn't listen to the speakers in the front display room I listen to them in a dedicated sound room.Dumbass.you must think I'm pretty stupid. I've been doing this for 40 years.And anytime you want to come and visit Vancouver and come over and listen to my system I'll be happy to entertain you and then you'll see how good the platinum's are and how much better they are than the paradigm |
Hey Ricred, got a question for you, have you found any other speaker that you would trade your platinum five hundreds in on that you like better? |
Boy you must have a pretty big room to need subwoofers with the 500 with those four 8-inch woofers. But I do like the rel subwoofers I think they're the most musical subwoofers that I've ever heard.. they integrate extremely well. |
That's because if you brought in the Platinum line you wouldn't be selling too many paradigm because they are that much better the soundstage is wider deeper the air and space between the instruments is better just like jworth said when he compared both of them on his system. And since I could afford $15,000 speakers I can afford just about pretty much anything but why would I spend $25,000 on a pair of 7fs when the 15000 and $18,000 Platinum 200 and 300 are much better?I will put my $60,000 Canadian system up against $200,000 and I guarantee you it'll beat it because I put it together with my ears not just my pocketbook. |
Actually audio Troy I don't have any axe to grind at all I just go by what I hear. And here's a more telling response. I just talked to a dealer here in Vancouver ayreborne audio video who sells both the paradigm persona and the monitor audio Platinum and I asked him point-blank monitor audio platinum or paradigm persona and he said without even hesitation monitor audio Platinum and then I asked him do you find the paradigm persona bright and forward in the top-end and he said yes and he also said that the monitor are more natural sounding. So there you go that's from a dealer of both. So anybody that has any ears that are tuned to the way instrument sound in real life and the voice sounds in real life will never pick paradigm because they are bright and forward and edgy sounding and anybody that can't hear that I guess their hearing is not so good. |
Well when a dealer that selling both says the monitor audio is better that holds a lot of weight and when someone that owns both and puts them into his two-channel system says the monitor audio is better that holds weight as well. Unfortunately you can't admit the truth cuz you're a paradigm dealer and I guarantee you if you put them side-by-side in your shop you probably would be dropping the paradigm because they're just not as good that's the bottom line. And I don't take a lot of stock listening to stuff at shows because those rooms are pretty bad but when I go to a dealer and listen to them like I did with a paradigm and the mids and highs sound bright in their room with their equipment then I know for sure that the speakers are going to be that way. And then when I went to listen to the monitor platinum and they were very natural sounding like instruments voice piano does in real life then there's not much of a choice is there, it was very obvious which speaker was better. |
And if you give me the name of your store. I'll be happy to phone you and talk to you in person. |
You think your Naim and persona is going to quash my simaudio P8 W8 with the monitor audio Platinum 200? Who are you trying to kid? Are you a joke or what? Give me a break like I said my system consists of a Sim audio P8 W8, wired for sound 10th anniversary dac, which beat up on the Sim audio $15,000 deck and the bryston bd3 I believe it was, esoteric p10 transport, and all my wiring is Harmonic Technology magic 3. Good luck trying to beat that with your Naim and persona LOL. Naimit's not in the top 5 preamps and amps in the world like simaudio is. |
Actually audio Troy how am I ridiculous because I'm telling the truth on what I heard. I really don't care what you think, but that's what I heard and that's what I say so if you don't like it too bad. |
Hey ricred, I just tried something with my platinum's that increased the sound stage width and depth significantly. I forgot to check if my bolts were tightened properly and they were loose. so I tightened them just so they were snug to the wood and then you're supposed to give one eighth of an inch turn to tighten them and wow what a difference you should check your bolts to see if they're loose or not if you didn't tighten them originally. And like I said just tighten them until their snug and then just give them one eighth of a turn because if you tighten them too much it'll make the magnets pop out. |
Any contuzzi you sound like a 10 year old pushing paradigm all the time I'm not pushing anything cuz I don't sell anything. |
And just for your information audio Troy the new gold 300 generation 5 will leave the persona 3F in the dust. |
And NABCS if you like bright forward hard sound that's your choice I don't and the paradigm persona are not great at music good for home theatre but they got a long way to go for music. Paradigm has always been a mid fi speaker company they're trying to get into the high-end not very successfully and their way over priced as well. And the reviewers have been bought because they buy advertising in their magazine so I don't believe anything the reviewers say cuz I've listened to them and I know how bad they sound. |
And unfortunately mschott the persona series is not very good paradigm is trying to get into the high-end not very successfully their speakers are mid-fi at best they're not in the same league as the monitor audio Platinum but at least I got to give them credit they're trying but that beryllium Tweeter and midrange is a work in progress every speaker I've heard that uses it including magico paradigm and every other has a bright forward sound unfortunately not very natural.I prefer speaker that makes everything sound like it doesn't real life like the human voice piano violin cymbals. Hyper detailed does not mean accurate. |
First of all dumbass I started this blog so I can make as many comments as I like. And even dealers of paradigm persona say they sound bright and one dealer that sells both the monitor audio platinum and the persona says that the monitor audio is much better so if you can't handle that then don't come on here. |
The paradigm persona are good for home theatre not great for music. Go look at the persona beaverview on 10 audio.com, the reviewer gave it a 2 out of 10 cuz he said it was so bright sounding. |
Mshott, and you have less credibility at least I can talk because I have a very high-end system. Simaudio W8 p8, one of the best amps and preamps in the world. Wyred for sound 10th anniversary DAC. One of the most analog sounding dacs on the market right now. Esoteric p10 transport. My wiring is all Harmonic Technology magic 3 for the interconnects and pro 9 reference SE for the speaker wire. And my speakers are the monitor audio Platinum 200 generation 2 because I found them to be one of the most neutral and natural sounding speakers that I heard on the market. |
Mikey BC I could give two flying f's what you think and since I started this blog don't come on here nobody's forcing you to. |
Hey Ricred, just thought I'd pass this along to you. You should try the wyred for sound 10th anniversary dac. It's using the new ESS Sabre 9038 pro chip. The reviewer at 10 audio.com said it's the most analog sounding dac he's ever heard and he put it up against his VPI turntable and he said it was neck-and-neck. And they give you a 30-day trial. With 100% money back if you don't like it and I can vouch for it because I've got it and it is the most analog sounding Dac I've ever had in my system. I think it will best your Chord dac. I put it up against the $15,000 Sim audio DAC and it left it in the dust it was that much better. |
And just so everyone knows audio Troy either works at our owns audio doctor in New Jersey which is a home theatre installer. so obviously being a home theatre installer he doesn't know very much about to channel and how it should sound. Cuz the paradigm persona don't sound good in a 2-channel system. But keep using them for home theatre cuz that's all they're good for. |
If you have to use a room correction system for your speakers doesn't say much about your speakers does it. I don't see sonus Faber, Wilson benesch Magico, monitor audio or any other top speakers out there having to do that. |
And you can set those paradigm up anyway you like Troy and they're still going to be bright sounding. That's the characteristic of beryllium and you can't do anything about it to change it. |
Probably the reason they sounded dark is because whoever was showing them was using them with not very good cable. MIT and transparent are the worst cables out there they make everything sound dead and dark. Those boxes screw up everything. I have the Platinum 200 and I use OCC single crystal wire which has been shown to be the best wire out there for audio over the last 40 years because there's no Crystal barriers in The wire. Ofc wire has 300 little fractures in it for every foot OCC has none in 700 ft. |
Well they're a lot more coherent than the paradigm persona and it's not actually a heel Tweeter they redesigned it because they found some problems in the original Heil tweeter, and it goes clean right up to a hundred khz which makes the lower frequencies that much better. there isn't a dome Tweeter out there that has the dispersion in height and width like this MPD has |
Well nabcs, you obviously have no idea what you're talkin about. The p-8 and W 8 was reviewed by many people and they said it was world class bettering amps that cost three and four times the price.And I'll put my P8 W8 up against anything you got any time. Just like you were wrong on the kind of chip that the wyred4sound 10th anniversary dac uses. So obviously you don't know how to read because it's right on their website that they're using the ESS Sabre 9038 pro chip the best chip in the world right now.the W8 is not a good amp it's an exceptional amp and if you don't know that you're pretty dumb. And you probably couldn't afford it anyway.I don't like the way their prices of gone their preamp is now 40,000 which I think is ridiculous cuz it's only about 10% better than the the p-8 which was 15,000. High price doesn't always mean good you know, but simaudio has built an incredible reputation all around the world now you should know that if you know anything about the high-end.
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Well it's pretty easy to decide when you hear different dacs on the same system you can tell pretty quickly which one is better and which one isn't and like I said and the reviewer at 10 audio said the same thing it's one of the most analog sounding dacs that he's heard and he put it up against his VPI turntable and he said it was neck-and-neck. |
I have compared their dacs to the 10th anniversary and the 10th anniversary was better. Their top-of-the-line to dacs are $6,000 compared to the 10th anniversary which is $4,500 and they both use a 9028 pro chip which is not as good as what the 10th anniversary is using. They've got the 9038 pro chip which is better.
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Nabcs why don't you go read the review on 10audio. He compared it to his VPI turntable and he said it was neck-and-neck and he said it was the most analog sounding deck that he's ever tried. He also said it was way better then the bryston bda3 that he had there. |
The problem with the top Ressonessence dac is that they're charging $6,000 and there's still only using the 9028 pro chip. The 9038 pro chip is even better but it's very difficult to work with you have to know what you're doing. They're not with ESS anymore they left to start their own company and maybe they just don't have the knowledge to work with the 9038 pro chip.wouldn't you think they would use the best ESS Sabre chip that's on the market instead of the next one down which isn't as good? And why is that? The 10th anniversary dac is only 4500 |
