So disappointed in today's Americana


I make it a habit of getting the Grammy nominated Americana albums from the library each year. Past years have introduced me to much new music, some good, some bad, some treasures (TajMo for example). This year I just listened to Brandi Carlile's cd 'By the way I forgive you', nominated for best Americana roots album. OMG it is unlistenable! You would think singer / songwriters would strive for a pristine recording that highlights their lyrics and mostly acoustic arrangements. No - it is a sonic mess, compressed all to hell. To quote my wife "Turn that crap off". End of rant. 
mcondo
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@mcondo, do you already have all Buddy Miller's albums? His with his wife Julie? Iris Dement? Emmylou Harris? Jim Lauderdale? Marty Stuart? Steve Earle? John Hiatt? Lucinda Williams? Rodney Crowell? Chris Hillman's latest (produced by Heartbreaker guitarist Mike Campbell)?
I thought the loudness wars were finally over (heavy brick wall dynamic range compression in mastering) but apparently not quite yet. I don't recall who said it first but I agree with the assertion that, to paraphrase, "there can be no loud if there isn't any quiet."
Uh, no. The loudness wars are worse than ever. Flatline. 😳 No offense.
I love that Brandi Carlile record. Just shows. Maybe we listen for different things/reasons, who knows. But I love that one. And most of the artists listed by bdp24 (not so much a fan of Lauderdale).  The rest do it for me.
I love that Brandi Carlisle album too - also Marissa Hackman ‘old rockhounds’ On vinyl ...... 
think genre music always has peaks and troughs until the next wave comes in. 
I remember thinking Ryan Adams a god at first but then either my tastes changed or he got awful..... 
to bdp24, yes I have cd's from most of the artists. That's kinda the point. Those albums are not compressed all to hell.

BTW - the Dynamic Range Database scores "By the way I forgive you" as an 05. Pretty bad. 
+3 for "By The Way I Forgive You", I do think it is somewhat compressed. The music overcomes that for me.

Check out Gillian Welch, David Rawlings, Donna The Buffalo.....
Excellent @mcondo, congratulations on your great musical taste! For more Americana albums in great sound, search out slaw's posts. They're full of them.
@mcondo - Like @slaw , I enjoy the music on "By the way, I forgive you....", but I don't love the SQ. Brandi Carlile sits on the periphery of pop music, so it's no wonder the album is compressed to heck.
I would put Rosanne Cash’ latest 3 lps in the Americana camp that should be listened to by all.
For those of you who have Brandi's latest album (which I like but which is far from her best), check out "The Story". A truly great album. I always enjoy listening to her voice.
@gpgr4blu ,

Thanks for mentioning "The Story". I own all of her stuff on vinyl except that one. Just ordered it.

( I thought her last showed a noticeable maturity in song writing)

@mcondo, I don’t know your age, so am not going to assume you know about the album and the group of musicians who made it that are largely credited with being a primary source of inspiration and guidance in all things Americana; the one, the only, The Band and their 2nd, self-titled album, also known as the brown album. Absolutely essential listening!

The original Capitol pressing (look for the mastering engineer’s initials---RL, for Robert Ludwig---scratched into the run-out by the LP’s label) is good, as is the newest version (2013) on Mobile Fidelity LP (MFSL 1-419) and SACD (UDSACD 2129).

At least as good is their debut, Music From Big Pink. Original LP’s are plentiful (though finding a Mint or Mint- copy is not easy), and again there is a newish (2008) Mobile Fidelity pressing available on LP (MFSL 1-346) and SACD (UDSACD 2044). This past September Capitol Records did a 50th Anniversary reissue of MFBP on both LP and CD, and in a deluxe boxset. The boxset is more than all but the obsessed really need, but I'm hoping they do the same for The Band's second album this year!

Very familiar with The Band. I have the Rock of Ages live MoFi SACD. Happy New Year!


You might check out Meg Baird, particularly her work with the band "Espers" out of Philly. It’s more psych-folk than Americana but it is based on American folk music, with a twist. Esper’s "The Weed Tree" is a good start. Baird is pretty prolific and is associated with a number of other acts if you decide you like her.
I did a brief write up of a band out of Brooklyn called The National Reserve, whose album, Motel La Grange, reminded me a little of Bob Seger, Little Feat and The Band. The thing I liked about the record is that it sounded like a real band playing in a bar rather than a studio confection.
As I’m wont to say almost every time the topic comes up, get thee to see the great David Lindley if he is out on tour anywhere near you. Not a ’new’ talent, but so formidable, makes you appreciate why he was the go-to guy on so many albums out of LA in the ’70s.
Hi Slaw:
Hope you enjoy it. It is my personal fave from Brandi. There is also an album of other artists performing the songs on "The Story" which has some great performances and some not so great performances. It's called "Cover Stories" and the funds from sales go to a War Child charity fund.

Good one whart! David Lindley is a monster lap steel player, with a style employing, unlike most steel players, lots of sustain and over-driven tube distortion. He's great live, and his first two solo albums (he was in the late-60's band Kaleidoscope, and on many L.A. recordings of Jackson Browne and other singer/songwriters) are not just musically excellent, but also unusually good sounding for Rock 'n' Roll records. I have long used the first (which includes David's fantastic version of "Mercury Blues") for hi-fi evaluations.
whart1 ,

  Really appreciate the suggestion of The National Reserve!  I like them a lot.
Listening to "by the way, I forgive you" on vinyl right now. Musically, I really like the album. However, it does suffer from SQ issues, probably compression. Too bad, as it is really good. Makes me wonder how much more I might enjoy it if it was recorded differently.

Question for those who understand recorded music production: "Who is responsible for the amount of compression used? Is it the recording engineer, producer, mastering technician, etc.? Who makes the decision about the amount of compression used? 
@bdp24 - you and i have gotten to the point where we can just say something in code and we both go on a roll- remember the old joke about telling jokes using numbers?
I think El-Rayo-X is being remastered on vinyl by one of the audiophile reissue labels. I have an early copy somewhere here, i’ll have to pull it out and play it.
Here it is: http://www.speakerscornerrecords.com/products/details/524/david-lindley-el-rayo-x?sort=release-date%7Cdesc&display=grid
@mcondo 

Check out Curse of Lono!

Great stuff from Felix!


Here in the St. Louis area some good Americana bands are

Prairie Rehab
The Trophy Mules
Just picked up John Hiatt, The Eclipse Sessions, 2018....longtime fan..
nuff said
Although I’ve only listened to it once, I remember being happy with Michael Nesmith & The First National Band "Redux" on dbl vinyl
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@pehare,That one is on my list.
Rhiannon Giddens "Freedom Highway"  in my top 5 in 2018
Give a listen to the man behind the explosion of Americana (due to his Oh Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack work), T Bone Burnett. His Truth Decay album on Takoma is great, musically and sonically. Look for the original Chrysalis pressing.
Give a listen to The Wild Feathers - Nashville based.
Artists up for a Grammy award may not be the best way to get exposed to new music you enjoy....  
I agree with the recs on Buddy Miller Iris Dement (Saw her at the Grand Ole Opry a few years back) Emmylou Harris Jim Lauderdale Marty Stuart Steve Earle John Hiatt Lucinda Williams Rodney Crowell Chris Hillman
I think if you stay in the Blues, Roots, Americana or Folk categories there are usually quality artists I haven't heard - hence off to the library to check them out.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqE0Ej1J3z8&list=OLAK5uy_nJVel4dRYUUUIeiT47aWig_9EhFCB_vJM

Jim Lauderdale's "Wait Til Spring" was backed by the group Donna the Buffalo, who also have some good stuff, including "Rockin In the Weary Land".  
ditto Rhiannon, see also her work w Carolina Chocolate Drops.

Jesse Sykes is fantastic also, sure some compression, grunge and overdrive..but wow....
2018 folk/americana/country albums I like (some of the below might be a stretch but is in the wheelhouse, no comment on SQ)
Jeff Tweedy - WarmAlela Diane - CuspKacey Musgraves - Golden HourWillie Nelson - Last Man StandingStephen Malkmus & The Jicks - Sparkle HardNeko Case - Hell-OnNatalia Lafourcade & Los Macorinos - MusasMount Eerie - After (Live)Low Cut Connie - Dirty Pictures (Part 2)2019The Delines - The Imperials
listening to just arrived vinyl of Sarah Jarosz - Undercurrent

standouts so far: Early Morning Light
and
House of Mercy which is in rotation on Radio Paradise...

not 100% americana..but nice imo
Check out Phosphorescent albums!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m not even real sure what constitutes Americana per se and not sure where R&B fits within that genre. Below is a list of bands/musicians who I think are very talented and at least somewhat retro and whose music I enjoy but whose CDs/LPs and hi res file are compressed to the point that they are nearly ruined in my opinion. With some of them you can get better quality on the LP or the hi-res file, but this is an exception rather than a rule and the improvement seems to be marginal.

Alabama Shakes
St. Paul and the Broken Bones
Leon Bridges
Vintage Trouble
The Teskey Brothers (Australian)
Neko Case
Tedeschi Trucks
Chris Stapleton (Traveller CD not too bad but not good in terms of SQ)
Gary Clark, Jr.
The Struts (not American or Americana but retro)

I think all of these are great bands with great music but horrible production quality....all related to compression/loudness. It makes me sick. I still listen to them but will admit that I typically futz with them with the computer equalizer. Pathetic. I know. But otherwise hard to listen to.

Contrast this with Mark Knopfler’s latest album, which I’m not crazy about but whose production quality is very good (10 and up on the DR database) and better on the LP.

The point is, it can be done. And I don’t think it requires much additional effort.

As a side not I was watching a YouTube video of a guy who puts together affordable vintage systems and one system had a built in equalizer with dB meters. When he went to test it he couldn’t understand why the needles on the meters were pegged in the red until he realized he was playing a contemporary, highly compressed artist. He changed to a better quality source and his meter was working just fine.

It makes me wonder that if every system had meters that allowed people to see how crappy a production was, maybe it would deter these idiot engineers from over compressing.
There is no such thing .
N80 - you have expanded on my original post re: compression on today's Americana. I have listened to several of the cd's on your list and concur - why trash your sound and smash your musical arrangements. Doesn't make sense for an artist that is not going to sell tons of records. Where is the pride in your art? I would add Arcade Fire to the list as an egregious example of an excellent live band that sounds absolutely terrible on recordings. I still make a lot of mixes and once in a while I insert a modern recording I love ( lets say the Decembrists w/Gillian Welch) into a mix with an older recording ( say Led Zep Gallows Pole) - the difference in volume is huge! 
I have to add a correction. I just got Vintage Trouble's The Bomb Shelter Sessions on CD (2011) and it does not seem as compressed as many of the other's I listed.

The DR database lists the album at 8-9 but it references a lossy medium with no other data so it was probably low-res streaming that was tested.

Anyway, I'm not saying it is Steely Dan level production quality but a good bit better than most of what we're getting these days. Kudos to the band for that.
Here's a current article in the NYT's about the loudness wars. It even has charts, including Brandi Carlile's grammy nominated song I was bitching about.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/opinion/what-these-grammy-songs-tell-us-about-the-loudness-wars.h...


PS - check out the 500+ comments.
I'm listening to Mercury Rev's Bobbie Gentry's the Delta Sweete Revisited on Tidal this morning through headphones and it sounds really nice.
That piece in the Times is actually pretty thoughtful and well written.
I don't listen using ear buds but occasionally listen to something over my laptop simply to hear it, not for any serious listening-- and I'm surprised at how much difference you can hear despite the file compression (e.g. MP3, not dynamic compression). This would tell me that the fad of loudness wars isn't to compensate for inadequacies of the playback device--much like dynamic compression of TV commercials, it is used to grab attention. But, how much long term enjoyment from something that is always at "11"?
I know I'm preaching to the converted here....
As to "Americana," i don't know that it is a very definite genre- it seems to be an amalgam of folk, (old) country (as distinguished from 'new' country which is really '70s soft rock), and a few other genres-bluegrass, for example, thrown in the mix. It is probably a catch-all for other things that don't clearly fit into another pigeonhole; I'm surprised Gary Clark, Jr. is labelled as Americana, since I considered him more a blues guy-- but, just like everything else, genre labels are not very instructive. They are probably even less apt when applied to someone who is innovating and doesn't fit neatly under a category that is already well-worn by predecessors. 

I don't have an answer other than that, like most things in the pursuit of music that is fidelous, you are going to go through a lot of material and forced to be selective. 
One of the more unusual "Americana genre" performances was Robert Plant's Band of Joy performance at the 2010 Americana awards. I think having recorded with Alison Krauss and with Patti Griffin in the band gave them some Americana cred - but it was pure rock with some roll mixed in. 
Sarah Jarosz is recorded by one the best engineers in the business. Follow him for great records, Gary Pacozsa.  His records are ridiculously good.  "Follow Me Down" (her #2 album) and Build Me Up from Bones (#3) both got Grammy noms.  Her latest Undercurrent was nominated for Best American Roots performance, Best Folk Album and Best Engineered Album.   He did Alison Krauss "Windy City" and "Deep Waters"  from The Lone Heartstring Band. "Forever Words" Johnny Cash and "Cover Stories, 10 years", Brandi Carlile.   Find his records on
allmusic.com

Brad
Lone Mountain Audio

@whart 

I agree with you in your analysis of what may make up Americana. It's very difficult these days to pigeon hole a specific genre because of the genre bending going on.

Love Sarah Jarosz, Aoife O'Donovan/Crooked Still, Sara Watkins......
Love Sarah, haven't listened to her in a while. Will pick up Undercurrent from the library for a listen. 
The DR measurements on Sarah Jarosz's albums seem to hover around 8, which I consider marginal but darn good compared to some of the albums mentioned above. There are folks here at Audiogon who consider anything less than 10 to be poor. So whoever her engineer is, either he is part of the problem or someone else is compressing the work after he's done with it.

Some Steely Dan albums up up around 16. Mark Knopfler, until recently, was typically in the 12-14 range. Pete Townshend's White City averages 12. 
 Please add the Wood Brothers to your quest.