Post your story on Shady Lane over at AA. Could it be LofO?
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IMO the moral of the story is do not trade long distance. If you would have bought, using PayPal or a CC, then them sold your amps. No problem. the trade means no recourse, no safety net. I suggest finding someone to visit said dealer at home....Someone big and mean. Perhaps file a theft report with the cops in the perps locale? (thing is it really is a civil court matter. Your recourse is to sue the person.) So the big mean guy(s) is the best bet. Best if the eight of them ride up on Harley Choppers.. Loud Harley Choppers. It is always good to have Biker friends.
Curious, how far away is the perp from you? Secondly, Name names. Locations, addresses ... maybe someone can pay the perp a visit, a friendly gesture. Let them know their insurance should be up to date... Fire, health.. all sorts. It helps if the perp knows someone LOCAL is interested in seeing Justice done.(The threats in this post are all made 'in jest' and have no real threat implied or intended, just for the record.) hah hah.
This is rare, but I agree with Elizabeth. In fact, I’d go further, and fly (or drive) to visit this person. You’re obviously a trusting soul but this is the thanks you get. Also, I would never, never, never buy outside of the US. When I see an ad for something outside the US, I just move on. Buy at your own risk! No, that’s not racist. It just reduces your chance of having to post your bad experience here.
One more thing. This is the second poster in two days who has complained about a scamming seller but declined to name them. Really, why? Give us the name, we need to know.
You have their address.. Have you bothered to look it up and physically view it via Google maps? I mean you can SEE any property in almost anywhere in the USA. I would Google Map it get close, use the man icon and get a good look at it. that may tell you a lot.Plus, did you send it to a home? or a business address? I would be hard pressed to send anything to a business address unless it was to the owner of the business, with their name on the door.
I cancelled a deal when the seller insisted I send the check to his 'office'. Sorry, I am not playing games for that guy. He was annoyed, and kept insisting. So I cancelled.
Just because someone 'says' they are a dealer, does not mean they have an actual store. All they may have is a reseller's license and a hope. And then there are actual stores.. and hole in a wall no one would actually step inside of. Or the store is 'really great', and soon, soon to move from his Mother's barn.
Keep in mind that all the time you give him to respond gives him all the time to vamoosh. Or, he can move the money and if you were to personally confront him, he'll just pull his pockets inside out and tell you to kiss the rabbit on the nose.
The fact that he's not responding to your emails and that AA is moving at a glacial pace is not looking good for you. Contact the local P.D. or whatever works for you and start a claim.
All the best,
I hate seeing this happening. If the listing dill has posted is the one you are referring to, I see the seller has a good rating, so there was no reason for you to be suspicious.
Hopefully, AA will help you resolve this issue. If not, then I think you should post this on their webforum.
I do congratulate you on being so open minded, considering you are out of a pair of Atma's. If I were you, I would call Ralph and give him the serial numbers, if anyone tries to have them upgraded, you might be able to get them back.
Be careful. I had a guy that I had to get a 19000 refund for a speaker that was paid for never finished and shipped. I had to threaten the guy to get my client his money. I’m an attorney in Texas. It took us 2 years. Seriously, you have to be careful. I would give him 24 hours then put him on blast. You have to!
Autospec why is the title of your thread Be Careful of Dealings on Audio Asylum. There is nothing wrong with that site, I've had a few dealings with Audio Asylum Trader that went very well. Don't disparage Audio Asylum because of a bad actor there. This could happen on Audio Circle, Audiogon, US Audiomart just as easily.
Jeff: I have e-mailed Audio Asylum five times about this, and haven't got any help, so they don't seem to care that I'm going to lost 2000 - 3000 dollars on this deal.......I have been a member Audio Asylum for many years, you would think they could at least answer a e-mail.....You would think that they could police there own web-site.....I'm getting tired of crooks and spam operators......Think about it ??
I accord with Elizabeth’s caution against trades in long distance transactions. Money first, PayPal both ways. Since the Asylum realizes no fees from its commerce site, I understand its reluctance to police transactions. They do occasionally impose temporary or permanent bans on posters who violate their rules, but not for alleged fraud.
I have given this person all the time in the world to get right with this transaction........He goes by "Lee of Omaha" on the Audio Asylum and owns a business in Papillion, NE.know as the Electron Addict......I will be filing some legal papers quickly........He also sells on e-bay, who I will also contact about this matter.........
I really hope this works out for you, I think you've waited more than long enough. I'm curious, have you done many private deals up until now? I think when one is 1st starting out, one wants to believe in the inherent goodness of man, allowing time, being ultra polite, almost experiencing disbelief when things head south. The more experienced trader has less patience for BS, and moves quickly (immediately!) when the deal even sniffs funny! I'm probably wrong but it almost seems like you didn't want to believe the guy was capable of ripping you off. I'd advise going into ANY online transaction with yr eyes wide open and yr radar turned on. Gotta listen to yr gut!;)
Well , I didn't wait long enough....Because he has just sent me the tracking numbers......There is a lesson here and a question to be answered....I waited 5 days without any connection with this person....Was that long enough, maybe ?? maybe not.......I would like to see some play on that.......Will
geoffkait: I'm sure you didn't spend much time summing this up.....I know you weren't the guy losing 2500.00 dollars.......And you weren't the guy sending over 10 unanswered e-mail or maybe the guy that made 4 unanswered phone calls over a course of 5 days.................So what do you know about any of it ???
If you know his address call his local police dept,
and tell them he scammed you, or the FBI they now have a online
internet fraud dept. and also mail fraud. Send him a certified letter as well as a email if he does not comply within 3-4 days call the police in his local area, if no satisfaction his state
FBI internet fraud over $2k is a federal offense.
make the demand and tell him a deadline date send him also a link to theFBI
online fraud dept. best of luck.
Calvinj: Thanks for your positive statement on this......I think we are getting pretty far from the original problem..........Also Elizabeth for you positive view on this.......The problem has pretty much taken care of it self, Lee has sent me the tracking numbers for the three pieces..........Thanks for all the positive help geoffkait, you want to get yourself that pencil sharpener.....Will