The Raven Has Landed


Raven Audio Blackhawk MkIV: The Raven Has Landed!

As many of you know the Raven Reflection has been on my radar for some time now. Couple months ago it was getting serious enough to start making phone calls. Dave Thompson is the ears and the vision behind Raven Audio. To hear Dave talk about tubes and music is to fall in love with them all over again. Like we even need that, willgolf all by himself had us excited enough. But Dave is in love, and it shows.

Sad to say however it turns out to actually get one built is another story altogether. A long, involved, frustrating story of global supply chains and inexplicable penny wise pound foolish decisions. More about that later. A Raven Reflection is many months out, maybe a year, maybe a lot more than a year. Dang.

Dave however was adamant the Blackhawk is one fine amp. Comes close, or at any rate a lot closer than one would expect from the huge price difference. Raven has a trade-up policy, offering 100% credit. An appealing offer. We went for it.

The little Blackhawk arrives in a box within a box. Easily the best most elegant damage-proof packaging I have seen, at least since the Graham 2.2. Even better is opening, the first thing you see is a box warning you what not to do. Tubes are quite a bit different than SS. They do not like to be turned on without tubes plugged in and speakers connected. Bad things happen. Intelligent warnings, and only the intelligent ones, are called for. So nice not to have to read about not using the amp in the hot tub, on a ladder, etc.

Another interesting feature, this is the first amp - or component of any kind - to come with a power cord one might actually want to use. We haven’t tried it yet. Maybe next weekend? But it does look the business!

The Blackhawk itself is inside a pretty darn nice bag, with a little box of tubes on top of the bag. The tubes go off to the side and the Blackhawk comes out. It is a lot better looking in person. Pictures to my eye make the handles look a bit out of place. In person though they really balance it out, the black amp with silver face and handles, just a real nice package. The Melody I880 is one beautiful little tube amp and had set the bar high. Happy to say the Raven is not a disappointment and actually looks really good in person.

Speaking of which, let’s get the nits and quibbles out of the way first. The amp arrives with a small blemish in the powder coat. Pretty minor and way back on the left corner where it will never be seen, hardly worth doing anything about it. But writing a thorough review, got to let the folks know.

Also, remember the pennywise pound foolish part at the beginning? Dave puts tremendous effort into testing everything for sound quality, even the power switch. The supplier changed the construction of the power switch they had been using for years. Not that affects sound, but reliability. They were breaking! So Raven had to stop production until another equally high quality part could be found.

The result is a push button power switch that works great and all by itself is quite nice. But it does mess with the otherwise beautifully balanced aesthetic they had going with the knobs.

The Blackhawk really is a nice looking amp. Especially with the lights down. We listen with the lights down low. The Raven Blackhawk is the first component of any kind we have not had to do anything about LED glare. Not only that, but these are a really nice warm orange that beautifully matches the tubes. Dave told me they used a rheostat to find the right LED brightness to balance with the tubes, then used a resistor with just the right value. The result is power and volume lights that glow just like little tubes! With the lights down low the Blackhawk is easily the most beautiful amp we have ever seen.

One last quibble. People have complained about hum. When first turned on the Blackhawk emitted a near alarming BWOOM! This quieted down a lot and now after a few weeks can only be heard if you listen real close. But it is there. Important to note this hum is physical not electrical. The Blackhawk is impressively silent where it counts, through the speakers.

Dave tells me this is a conscious trade-off. Raven could achieve silence with rubber grommets, but then bad things can happen in shipping. Or they could use a thick aluminum chassis. But then this would be a lot more than $4k. Or Raven could go with different transformers, but then it would not be the magical sounding amp that it is.

Which brings us at last to the good stuff. The Blackhawk is one sweet little amp! Right out of the box and still with the factory fuse the Blackhawk easily had more palpable presence, detail, and extension than the Melody, an amp it is hard to say anything bad about. Bear in mind this particular Melody has been tweaked out with Orange fuse and plenty of PPT. Indeed, the Melody is quite good. Just not up to this level. No shame in that. Very nice depth, excellent imaging. The Blackhawk is just… better. Makes the Melody sound a little flat and dull.

This is an amp that sounds quite good when first turned on, but really rewards a good warmup. By the end of the first side compared to the beginning is like going from really good to amazing. Then it continues to improve very gradually until somewhere around 1.5 to 2 hours it is just plain magical! Hard to describe, there is a tremendous amount of inner detail that comes through in the most seamless and natural way. Nothing that hits you over the head, more a realization that grows and wins you over.

Normal routine is listen to a side, or sometimes a couple favored tracks, then go get something else. With the Blackhawk at 2 hours it was like being in a trance. Side ended? What? Already? Flip it over! Then go get another one. Which one? Doesn’t matter! They all sound fabulous! "Spellbinding" comes to mind.

Forced to focus on specific traits, the top end is wonderfully extended. This in a way that never draws attention to itself. Midrange has real presence, but in the good sense of being present, actually there not the bad sense of merely hearing all the frequencies.

Dynamics are terrific, way better than anyone would ever think from only 20 watts. Granted the Moabs are 98dB, but then again we like to listen loud. Sometimes, real loud.

We put on Nilsson Jump Into the Fire. At concert level the drums don’t have quite the same attack as with the more than twice as powerful Melody. On the other hand, they do sound a lot more like actual drums. The bass line, at one point the bassist goes detuned- slackens the string to where it isn’t a note any more. On a lot of systems this sounds like he just goes too low and powerful and distorted. Not so, the technique is clear as can be. The climax screaming jangling guitar is high and piercing and clear as can be. Lotta stuff going on, every individual thread clean and clear even at real high volume. The Raven is getting it right, even at very high volume.

This is all with the $200 non-published upgrade power tubes. Dave Thompson has a superb collection of some of the best NOS tubes around. Rare tubes, available only to us in the Raven family. If you enjoy tube rolling this by itself might be reason enough to go Raven. This is also with just the normal Tungsol in Row 3. We have Brimar black plates still to try.

So it’ll get even better? That’s the beauty of this review format. We can write a review longer than anyone wants to read, and that is just for starters. Then add as the days and weeks go by. It’s a tough job but somebody’s got to do it.
128x128millercarbon
Yes it would seem paradoxical to have more detail and smoother, to be slower and more relaxed and at the same time more real. But that is exactly the way it is.
QSA yellow fuse upgrade in my Nighthawk/Blackhawk mod is getting better everyday. I'm hearing so much more of everything. but here's the weird thing....sometimes the music sounds slower. Probably more relaxed somehow, reminds me of the feeling between my CD's and LP's. But also, the tone is crisper, yet simultaneously smoother, Hard to describe just its so much better and different. (Thought I'd be the one to call foul on fuse myth!). Really strange too is I've often turned down volume to try and discover what the sound is coming from either outside or in the other room only to realize its some item in the media such as some percussion instrument, or sound effect, or professional whistler. Talk about escaping the constraints of the sound field of the speakers! $71 BUCKS! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!??!! I spent more than that on a sticky pad to clean my stylus!
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MC - congrats on your purchase - Fianlly - of the Raven Blackhawk.
i am glad you trusted my opinions along the way.  FYI, I have 4 yellow fuses in my components pasted with 1260.  Blows away SR orange.  I am thinking about a QSA red fuse for my Lampi Pacific.
Not surprising you're enjoying the detail, nuance, and dynamics of a 6L6GC-based amp over a KT88 amp.
Welcome to the 6L6 club. I've rolled quite a few including the RCA black plates. Settled on new Tung Sol 7581A. 
It really does not need to be written.  But any and all long term members of this forum know that mapman's credibility and integrity is off the charts.  No amount of sillyness from other persons will change that. 
Even the light blue makes Orange sound harsh and with a ton of glare by comparison. I could hardly believe the difference! I'm thinking violet in the Blackhawk, so everything gets the, and Yellow in the Herron. People who diss this stuff without trying, they do nothing to change the facts. All they can do is destroy their own credibility. Whatever shred may be left, still I would think is worth preserving?
Too bad it sounds like Raven must use junk or worn fuses. Or the fuse needed to be reseated.
My QSA Yellow fuse arrived yesterday, installed it onto my Raven Blackhawk and to my astonishment I now have a new Amp.  Insane a tiny fuse can make such an improvement…does not make logical sense and it hasn’t even been fully broken in yet.   A must for Blackhawk owners.  It absolutely blows my SR orange fuse away and I thought that sounded good.  Can’t imagine what what your Violet fuse will sound like in your system…. gotta go my amp is calling me!
Don't waste your time. He's probably not who he seems anyway. There's one truly sad individual who appears under lots of user names because he keeps getting banned. Best to not respond, and instead report the post. The one above is abusive of another member, but you can also use "Other" and write simply, "off topic".

By the way that was a nice compliment. Thanks!

 
tush1,

I’m well aware the dude has many critics.
I find his antidotes quite entertaining.
Very well written as well.
If my being fond of MC’s comments bothers you to the point of tossing insults my way, so be it.
Knock yourself out. 
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Merely a lurker here. I peruse the forum daily awaiting MC’s take on anything. This guy can paint a picture with his words. A true wordsmith in every sense of the word. Congrats on the Raven. End game gear far as I’m concerned. As you were,then.
" We don't exactly sell tickets."

My ticket comment was more tongue in cheek.

Angel's Envy it is then!


Pictures to my eye make the handles look a bit out of place. In person though they really balance it out, the black amp with silver face and handles, just a real nice package.
 
And yes, right you are, they are very convenient for handling, too. 

I wish people had been here to hear what the Blackhawk did for Rick's speakers. Night and day. What an experience. Still hard to believe the volume we got with only 20W- and the quality! Blackhawk made them come alive!
congrats sir on an amplifier that approaches best sound quality regardless of price.  
you forgot to mention my favorite feature- the grab bars!  makes unboxing and moving around so much easier, what a smart practical feature.  
keep a lookout for some NOS svet winged C 6L6 if you ever come accross them.  
my former Blackhawk shipped with them before the supply dried up.  
also some Amperex for the preamp spot and RCA black plates for the remaining slots.  simply magical.  
beautiful amp, beautiful sound.  enjoy to the highest.  
@millercarbon
We don't exactly sell tickets. One of the attendees this year had a great idea, the Millercarbon tax. Payable in Black Butte Porter. Or Widmer Hefeweizen. Either one, or both? So many details involved in planing these things. Rest assured we will have them all worked out in time for Chuctoberfest.

does Angel's Envy 'Finished Rye' + Widmer Heffy qualify?
nwres-
I will have to get my ticket early do I don't miss out on Chuxpona 22. Share some details on the fun when you can.

We don't exactly sell tickets. One of the attendees this year had a great idea, the Millercarbon tax. Payable in Black Butte Porter. Or Widmer Hefeweizen. Either one, or both? So many details involved in planing these things. Rest assured we will have them all worked out in time for Chuctoberfest.
Blue takes the Raven to another level. Yellow I can only imagine. Strange to be saying this, it is after all "only a fuse" but I don't know where you can get a bigger bang for the buck. Planning on trading my Blue in towards a Yellow for my Herron and Violet for my Blackhawk.
Love the review, input and positive commentary.  Glad I recently joined Audiogon.   So much to learn from the postings...really opens yours eyes and your wallet!  I am a 2017  Raven Blackhawk LE owner and was blown away from Day 1.  I had new resisters and new output tube sockets installed by Raven and she is now dead silent.  Other upgrades that added nice improvements include Morrow interconnects, power cable, OCC speaker cables on my Goldenear Triton’s, SR orange fuse but tube rolling IMO made the biggest impact.  If you want absolute sonic bliss get an old stock quad of RCA  6L6GC black plates.  Raven Dave’s  Shuguang 6L6GC coke bottle sound really nice but the RCA’s wow!  Dave offers an amazing choice of fantastic tubes that he can get quantities on but their are some really nice ones he just can’t get to offer the Raven family.  After quite a bit of rolling these are the tubes that work well with my Blackhawk  LE in my system.
6L6GC output tubes:  1- RCA black plate 50’s- 60’s bottom getter, 2- Shuguang 60’s coke bottle 3- Svetlana original winged C’s
Row 1:  1- Tungsram 70’s with silver square getter supports,  2- Matsushita 60’s-70’s with 45 degree angled getter, 3- Valvo ‘60’s Hamburg made
Row 2: 1- Mullard 50’s square getter with 3 plate holes... another wow 2- Brimar 13D9 (Note: I don’t own Brimar 6006 yellow T’s)
 3- Telefunken ‘50 ...but prefer warmer tubes in row 2
Row 3: 1- Westinghouse 60’s  Long Carbon Plate square getter on copper post 2- Rca 50’s-60’s 5963 (or 12au7) long black plates and 5814A 50’s triple mica black plate, 3- CBS 50’s 5814A (12au7) black plate with square getter.  
This week i will be swapping my SR orange fuse for a QSA yellow which should be fun to see how it compares.  Enjoy your Raven.  Cheers!
Chuxpona 21 Day Two, we swapped out Moabs for Rick's speakers, running them with his digital and my Sovereign/Enterprise using the Raven Blackhawk. Day One I was wondering how his fine speakers and digital could sound so closed in and veiled to the point of sounding muffled. Day Two we found out: it was his amp. Running with the Blackhawk transformed the rest into something staggeringly good.

His speakers are quite a bit less sensitive. Moab are 98, he thinks his are 87dB. Even so all that meant was the knob cranked clockwise more. There was plenty of volume even in my large room. Rick is dead set on getting a Blackhawk after this experience. I only wish we had done this on Day One so more could have heard.

Now I have to start writing, we need to chow down and replenish for the trip to Mike Lavigne's!
Chuxpona 21™ and  Chuxpona 21®. See that. Even when Chuck isn't technically here, he still manages to make me spill my coffee from laughing at least once a day. And I don't even drink coffee which makes it extra amazing.

Hope your guests are enjoying the big shindig; we're looking forward to a complete show report.
@millercarbon
I was not aware there was a Blackhawk model after the MK 3.1.

Check the front of the amp to verify please.
Your review of the amp sound exactly like my Mk 3.1

@millercarbon
I was not aware there was a Blackhawk model after the MK 3.1.

Check the front of the amp to verify please.
Your review of the amp sound exactly like my Mk 3.1

I will have to get my ticket early do I don't miss out on Chuxpona 22. Share some details on the fun when you can.
@cd84. I will call and talk to Bryant to clarify the details, but having both for head to head would be awesome.
MC, I already upgraded the Nighthawk power tubes after talking to Dave. Probably the same NOS Shuagong tubes (based on the price). I bought it with the Tung Sol Gl6gc tubes and with the tube recommendation, tremendous Improvement!
flennon,
Good question. Woulda answered sooner only I was busy with Chuxpona 21™. cd84 pretty well covered it, Their one year upgrade trade in is a good deal. Haven't heard a Nighthawk, but the Blackhawk should be a significant upgrade well worth the money based simply on being upgraded to their in-house Raven caps. Also if you want more details watch the video, Dave says the finish on the Blackhawk is better, a 4 step process vs 2 on the Nighthawk. The new ones all have the push button for power. Nothing wrong with it, you might even like it more, I don't know. Just if you have the knob, the button is a different look. That's about it.

If you go for this upgrade I would strongly recommend the $200 power tube upgrade. Again, no comparison to know for sure. But when gushing to Dave about the sound, he said those tubes have a lot to do with it. They are NOS, when they are gone they are gone, and he only sells to Raven owners.

Only other minor point, the brand new turn on noise is gone, and the amp runs darn near dead silent now. In any case the sound it puts out is to die for. Easily the best sounding room at Chuxpona 21®.
@flennon

You are in somewhat of a unique situation that many of us probably don't have:
1. You are the owner of a Nighthawk.
2. You are within the 1 year upgrade period.

I don't know the conditions of the upgrade period.  If possible, why not keep the Nighthawk and order the Blackhawk?  Listen to both and determine if the upgrade is worth the expense (about $700 more?).

If you decide to keep the Blackhawk, then do so with the upgrade option and return the Nighthawk.  If you decide to keep the Nighthawk instead, return the Blackhawk and pay the restocking fee, if any.
Great review MC. I went with the Nighthawk and am considering an upgrade to the Blackhawk, as I  am still within my one year upgrade period. Do you think the upgrades in some of the manufacturing components between the two make enough difference to make that jump?

@millercarbon

Like the way I worked that Mark Knopfler reference in there?

Yes I did.  Very clever.

three distinctly different Jennifer Warnes's each performing their own harmony

Wow!  Great example of the imaging you are hearing with the Blackhawk.

Your listening room looks like it is large, 24x17?  That’s impressive you are able to get decent volume levels.  Granted the Moabs are high sensitivity.

Going with the Blackhawk over the Osprey may be the way for me to go once I am ready and if I decide to go with tubes instead of SS.

Glad that you and others have found that your Ravens provide an very enjoyable listening experience.  Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, @facten Ive not heard those units... that`s great...likely they have extra dampening  (rubber mountings, acoustic foam, epoxy resin over-dip, encapsulated cases, etc.) to mitigate the noise.  Dampening has pros and cons, but yes truthfully I was a little surprised myself at the initial 60 cycle hum.  Some people hear it while others don't.  I also hear the hum of LED lighting in many places that most do not.

As I stated above it does "quiet down over time", so I pre-run the gear for a bit which allows the set to equalize in temperature.  When it does I can no longer hear the PS hum at all.

Raven has a fantastic 20 W integrated with incredible sound signature.   Ive gone from 2 hr listening sessions (max) with SS gear to 4 or 6 hrs with the Nighthawk/CeLest` combo, no fatigue whatsoever.  

This was my first significant audio purchase since 1982.


" I agree the power transformers were a bit noisy at first, nothing more than mechanical movement of the individual winding turns when energized. All transformers exhibit this characteristic, some louder than others "

Haven’t experienced noise from transformers in any of the tube integrated amps I have/had - Rogue, Consonance, Finale, Line Magnetic, Ayon
@millercarbon I 've been waiting for your input on the Blackhawk, very nice review, sir.  I agree the power transformers were a bit noisy at first, nothing more than mechanical movement of the individual winding turns when energized.  All transformers exhibit this characteristic, some louder than others however i found this quiets down over time with the Nighthawk.  If I take one step back I will not hear it so for me a non-issue.   Gotta say the CeLest' speakers are incredible with the amp, and when using my powered sub (Bic America Acoustech) frees up the amp to work its magic at volume.

MC, If you haven't done so yet try DS "Brothers in Arms" remaster on vinyl.  Such detail...I'm gonna spin that one to death.

CONGRATS on your Raven!!!
The Osprey is significantly more money for insignificantly more power and sound quality. There is no real gain and Dave said as much himself. Those with much less efficient speakers wanting more power may feel otherwise but for me it was money for nothing. and those groupie chicks aren't all they're cracked up to be (well not all of them anyway). 

Like the way I worked that Mark Knopfler reference in there? And they say you can't write when you're sloshed.

The new Sovereign/Enterprise is so good it is hardly believable, and this with only a few hours on it. This is demonstrating what an awesome little amp the Blackhawk is. Jennifer Warnes The Nightingale there are three of her, it is so obviously perfectly clear you have three distinctly different Jennifer Warnes's each performing their own harmony to the other. Absolutely insane how clearly you hear this. I mean you can see them right there, individual, their own individual studio acoustic around each one. With like 5 hours on the wire. 
MC, that's great news!  Thanks for the review as well.  Out of curiosity, was the Raven Osprey a contender?  Or was the price difference over budget with the purchase of the Origin turntable and arm?
You guys are lucky that you can change fuses in your amps. I can't.

Jeff Rowland makes sealed coffins that only authorized dealers or the man himself are authorized to open up to upgrade.
MC, what’s biggest points of advantage compared to Melody? I used to have Melody mono blocks about 20 years ago and wasn’t satisfied with them….rolled a lot of different tubes with it but never was able to get rid of some dryness of the sound.
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What James told me was almost 2 months ago, when parts were so uncertain he wasn't about to say anything any earlier than a year. So that is the way things go. My Sovereign turntable got stuck in Customs, flown back and forth across the country, thought it was never gonna get here. Next thing you know released from Customs and on my door the next day, a full day earlier than originally expected. The long slow slide down is far from smooth, every once in a while someone gets an unexpectedly pleasant surprise. Mine worked out great for me. I now have a Sovereign and Enterprise that I never could have afforded if they had sold me a Reflection. Glad you got yours and look forward to reading your beautifully detailed review.
The new Reflection MK3 amp should be ready in a couple of weeks for those who pre-ordered, not in a year.  I'll let everyone know how it sounds when I get it.
Thanks guys. It is coming together but not as easy as it looks. Busy morning got a lot to do but thanks again.
Hello MC,
Very nice review! It was like you were telling a story which made it engaging. I am very happy your system is really coming together and going to the next level. I can hear it in your written words.