The guru on fuses:

You 2by bad design I will leave you on spin cycle till you find the link on these pages. Tom

I already think you spin tall tales so will just stick with that.

Someone directed me here. So I just wasted the last five minutes on this drivel. The one entertaining bit, the "don't care" kids who all hear the difference so easily they can only think anyone who can't is like grandma, they can only hear you when you shout in their ear.

Only in this case they not only can't but won't hear. And their heads are so thick nothing ever gets in that way either.  

This all makes perfect sense in light of which ones here are playing the part of grandma. Can't hear. Can't think. Pretty much potato waiting for the reaper.  

What I don't get is Tom why are you wasting your time with these losers? Surely you have better things to do. I sure do.

Bye!

Going to snow a bunch for us here. I will have time to reset the stacked pair of James EMB 12s I have on either side of my mains.  After that pain in the back I will complete the all brass end button for violin that has a unique feature protected under one of my previous patents. 

Bye!

And next I will try to stroke my ego on another thread ...

@[email protected] you never posted a link unless it was the one deleted in the 1st page or string.

Dude chill.

Months ago I posted a link to one of my patents..I never said on this thread. Pissed that people think I am a liar. Been on here for years..no need to prove myself to the ignorant dilberts. They should make their own discoveries and findings let them post their own patent links.  They have disabled hearing. And now for some chilling. Tom

Yup, talk about your patents day in day out but expect us to find them from months and months sgo ... With the search here. Okay ....

http://patents.google.com/patent/US9858903B2/en 
Tom DeVuono is the kindest person I've ever met. I am honored to call him a friend.  <3 

And this lends any credence at all to audio reproduction how?

Materials and elements how and where they touch and why their shape is so very important. Contained is also a method for directed energy in part by shape and in part by materials. Its all there just build one..or something.
Tom

I commented before that these fuse discussions are useless. For Gods sake, take advantage of Music Directs 60 day policy any try their Hi Fi Tuning fuses. Don't measure and just listen. If you don't hear a difference, then return them for a full refund. If you hear a positive difference that you feel is worth $100.00, then keep them and enjoy the music and stop with these useless discussions on whether fuses make a difference. We were given 2 ears for a reason. 

If they were to follow your sage advice, they’d have nothing to whine about. Don’t forget that these trolls love that endorphin hit every time they post.

All the best,
Nonoise

Advice to all those curious about fuses...Some companies have money back guarantees. If you're curious, buy the fuses. If you don't perceive an improvement in your system; send them back. You lost nothing. Simple. Some of you are going to put yourselves in early graves getting so worked up over something so minor. Do yourselves a favor - when you see the word "fuse" in a thread as MC says, move along. It's not worth it. Danvignau...you knew what you were starting.

Just read the entire thread, wow this escalated quickly, I guess I'm lucky my wife kept me busy on Valentines day apart from the forums.
I don't know about fuses but George's comment about allnoise and sorry Jethro and nonoise vegemite moonshine, damn that's some good comedy right there, I respect you guys, I had a good laugh thank you.

I personally don't believe too much in fuses because my equipment is not very prone to change its sound with fuses, cables and such but I don't disregard other people's experiences, (unless they are clearly delusional and in need of a straight jacket)

Stop listening to these people who are negative about trying new things.   Try it for yourself then make your own judgment.   

In order to believe in high end fuses you might first have to believe that blind testing is not essential. As a long term audiophile and an electrical engineer my experience is that either I can hear what is happening in a blind test or else I can't hear it at all. There is a reason that folks used to believe in various snake oil health products and I think it is the same reason folks believe in expensive fuses. 
The other thing, in the article it made it sound as if measuring-recording-analyzing transients (fuse resistance change in this example) was difficult. It is easy. 

For the record if the last 2 comments @brubin and @morestereostuff are addressing my former comment I personally don't believe too much because I tried them and could not say there was a difference, sounded the same.But my equipment is "difficult" reacting to changesMy take is it was well engineered to avoid changes from external factors line emissions, cables, and such

The other thing, in the article it made it sound as if measuring-recording-analyzing transients (fuse resistance change in this example) was difficult. It is easy.

It is only difficult to people who don't know how .... which are people making those statement. Not a coincidence.

Anyone who thinks a fuse changes the sound, suffers an inferiority complex, which manifests itself in them feeling superior to everyone else thinking they hear differences.

That is the nature of psychological delusions. To them, it is real. They really ’hear’ it. The effect of delusion is very powerful..

But alas, to the rest of the people who live in the real world objectively, there is no difference. They do not have to prove their superiority by pretending they hear things nobody else is capable of hearing.

Anyone who thinks a fuse changes the sound, suffers an inferiority complex, which manifests itself in them feeling superior to everyone else thinking they hear differences.

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I don’t suffer from it, and would appreciate YOU stop the name callin’
you deaf prick? I hear a difference.. You need to learn some manners..
You’ll find anyone callin names around me, it won’t fly...
I don’t give a shi$ who cares, or who you think you are...

I’ll ask you once... Then from the Eeyore 6 to the ash can.. I'll have nothing to do with you.. Your call.

No regards

oldhvymec, he's just trolling as best he can since he doesn't have leg to stand on. Notice how it takes him awhile to muster up something bordering on smart aleck and nasty because he's run out of arguments to use. For him it's all a vendetta, like the rest of them. They need to get a hobby other than audio because it's really not working for them.

All the best,
Nonoise

people have two ears and two eyes, unfortunatelly some cannot trust the function of these two and use only the mind and the fingers to listen and see.
I agree that op knew how it will go.

G

nonoise6,732 posts02-19-2021 2:08pmoldhvymec, he's just trolling..

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I'll abide an opinion, BUT my cheek was turned a few comments back.
I try to be a gentleman, but when it's normally fueled by insult hurled at everyone "AS IF", he's better than when in fact he's not "AS GOOD AS"
Time to say, "what a shi$head". White gloves and dancing shoes OFF, WORK BOOTS and leather gloves on.

BUT thanks nonoise. I'm sure it will get booted anyway.. I spend WAY to much time here anyways. LOL

Regards

"I commented before that these fuse discussions are useless. For Gods sake, take advantage of Music Directs 60 day policy and try their Hi Fi Tuning fuses. Don't measure and just listen. If you don't hear a difference, then return them for a full refund. If you hear a positive difference that you feel is worth $100.00, then keep them and enjoy the music and stop with these useless discussions on whether fuses make a difference. We were given 2 ears for a reason."            +1                                                                   IF you’re interested in improving your system’s presentation, have a shred of confidence in your capacity for perceiving reality and trust your own senses: try a better fuse, FOR YOURSELF.                                                                                                                                  The Naysayer Church HATES it, when THAT happens!

 

 "When" you don't hear a difference, then return them for a full refund.

They bank on you "not doing" just that, it's how "snake oilers" work.

Even these $$$ boutique fuse manufacturers are smart enough not to stand up for the claims made by fusers on forums.
Other audio equipment manufacturers do, (wonder what difference could be????)

With rare, very rare exception, no one claiming fuses are highly audible does a blind test. I have many times with people making a fuse claim. Funny, blind, they can never tell a difference.

Notice how the last two comments are basically cut-and-paste?
They'll give the same responses years from now, which is basically how all of these discussions on fuses have been for many a year.

It's like some form of arrested development.

All the best,
Nonoise

Allnoise, how does doing a blind test, actually doing it, and it not being audible, change from year to year. You are making 0 sense.

So, you have attended all blind fuse A/Bs in existence and they all had the same result?  Generally, those that do blind testing do not trust themselves and already think there is no difference.  Yes, I have done a couple of blind tests years ago and I and everyone there heard the same thing.  If you have a tweaky system and are "open' you can hear all you need to without blind tests.  As I say.....blind tests are for those that cannot hear.......or believe that they already know the answer.

Generally, those that do blind testing do not trust themselves and already think there is no difference.

Would you like a shovel to dig yourself out of that hole?

I am under no delusions that I have magical powers that protect me from all bias, however the many audiophile friends I have are not protected either and it is their claims I disproved not mine.

The unwillingness to subject oneself to blind testing shows you lack the confidence you profess to have.

You have a few 10s of people who constantly go to forums like this one and let everyone know that 'whatever" is snake oil.  These people are on a crusade to rid the world of snake oil.  What is really interesting is that 10s of thousands of audiophiles all over the world do not believe the rantings of these "snake oil killers".  Almost all of these people do not comment on these forums....they are busy listening to the incredible sound of their stereo (at least 40% of them with snake oiled systems).  This very day there are people buying fuses and I bet 90% of these people find them beneficial to the sound......

So, on one hand we have 10s of thousands of audiophiles who hear a beneficial sonic improvement with fuses and growing every day......and on the other hand we have 100 ranting "snake oil killers" who go on to every forum in the world........who mostly have never even tried an audiophile fuse..

Who would you trust?  A ton of people who listened and had a direct experience or a few people who mostly won't listen and rant?

So, on one hand we have 10s of thousands of audiophiles who hear a beneficial sonic improvement with fuses

That btw is well over the top, and they definitely aren't audiophiles.

Just show one of these $$$ "boutique fuse manufacture" posts or advert, where they confirm for what these 10s K delusional "fusers" believe, especially the directional claims for ac fuses????

Did you not read? As I said, I did participate in some blind tests....and EVERYONE at the tests passed the test.....We all heard the same differences.....no one thought it sounded the same. I don’t need blind tests to tell differences....if you think you do, than that is fine. 99% of all audiophile audio tests are not blind.....magazines, individuals, etc. Jay does some blind tests for people on his thread on this forum.....most people hear the same differences....however his latest post has people preferring neither (split decision). However, practically none of the people who do his tests hear no difference.  Jay is afraid of fuses....but if he was not then he would do blind tests with fuses and you could hear for yourself the difference (sorry, I mean that they all sound the same....he he)

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/my-long-list-of-amplifiers-and-my-personal-review-of-each?pag...

And again we have millions who claim that vinyl is more realistic than good digital when the truth could not be farther away. Anyone who has heard live what is coming off the microphones knows that tape and vinyl is a softened and colored version of reality.

There are many many thing millions or billions believe that is simply not true.

It speaks volumes that so called audiophiles don't trust their hearing enough to do a blind test.

I just did a quick look through system images. 25 expensive systems in and only one with remotely half decent acoustic treatment. I saw a 50k-100k speaker almost up against a glass patio door, no doubt same cost in electronics, speakers near the front wall, no treatments. 95% or more of system photos show inadequate acoustic treatment (and they are not near field ) and over 90% have none.  I would not trust any review of anything in those acoustic messes.

Millions?  Billions?  Now who is over the top here?

First generation master tapes on super modded tape machines running at high speed and double or quad speed DSD masters using the lastest tweakiest A/D and D/A converters are both very very close to reality.  Everything else is less good.

It speaks volumes that so many people trust their hearing enough that they don't bother with blind testing.  Again, blind testing is for those that don't believe in their ability to hear......they are not deaf....but believe they are.....so they need some kind of external "proof".  Trust yourself....trust your ability to hear differences.  

It's been shown that fanatically religious people who proselytize have the weakest of faith in their own beliefs. They do this out of fear of being wrong all the time past and need others to fervently believe the same stuff they do so as to prop themselves up (sort of a group support thing).

With every convert there comes a sense of momentary relief, only to vanish moments later. It becomes a never ending cycle. Like audio2destroy, they come up with silly premises and suppositions, and then generalize as if it's conventional wisdom. Heck they even go so far as to team up with others they hate (like Vegimite Moonshiner Georgie) and steal their insults, like name calling and other juvenile traits.

Like ricevs has pointed out, they haunt audio forums and troll away, in an attempt to rule the roost or close them down when they fail to do so. Many an online reviewer has closed their comments section from these losers, which probably aroused them to no end.

All the best,
Nonoise

When you point your finger at someone.....three are pointing back at you.  We are all a mirror for each other.  Please be kind.  Love yourself more.....the more you love yourself....the more you love everyone.  Do you want to be happy?  Do you want everyone to be happy?  I do.  

Applying some science from another discipline might be interesting.
If orange or red fuses were described by users as adding brightness or detail, and if blue fuses were described as adding smoothness and “tubey” qualities, then this would add to the arguments of those who shout ‘placebo’ and call for double blind testing. Because sugar pills those colours cause patients to perceive these effects on their senses according to colour. On the other hand, if these effects are not reported, or are reversed, this is evidence for the ‘trust your ears’ community.
Or is the colour effect the other way around...? Ah! The double bluff!
Take a card; take any card. Don’t show me the card, show it to the audience .. look into my eyes, not around the eyes, look into the eyes...

Allnoise,
You confuse science and faith. I have no fear of my claims being tested, tested properly that is. I don't need my eyes to hear. Why do you?

Interestingly enough bluemoondriver the fuse types call silver cable bright and copper cable warm ...

Use an RTA and record the difference and post them.

Years ago I experimented with a friends speaker a DQ12 it has a place for 2 fuses. I had only 2 magnets in hand so I only replaced the fuses in 1 speaker. Turning the system on and trying yo hear in stereo both me and my friend had to sit 2/3 off the center axis of the speakers towards the speaker that had fuses so we could hear that DQ12.  Of course this was not left this way. Tom

audio2destroy, there you go again: I confuse nothing just because of your silly premise that I do.

And again, what's with the juvenile challenges signaling fear as the resolving factor? Years of doing this gives one an accurate enough handle on the sound of one's system to the point where they don't need to resort to parlor tricks to ascertain whether they're hallucinating. 

I wish I had come up with this phrase but you're drowning in a reckless, infantile philosophy.

All the best,
Nonoise

I wish I had come up with this phrase but you’re drowning in a reckless, infantile philosophy.

Allnoise, stop being such a nong.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/nong

Another friend has Legacy speakers biamped. Listening we could both hear an imbalance in image and we had to keep shifting our seats. I replaced the fuse in the right chn. amp problem solved. He ordered cryo Acme brand silver fuses for 20 bucks ea. and when I returned I installed them for him. Nice jump in sound quality over that vibrating metallic dingle berry that is now in the trash..fuses are subjected to shear wave interference and it carries on from there. Tom

"shear wave interference"

SWI distortion wow!!!! that’s a new one, hope all the tech gurus like Nelson Pass, John Curl, Dan D’Agostino ect ect ect are taking notes on this one as they’ve now been relegated to the back seat.

Who pray tell discovered this new exciting distortion, so he can be put into the audio design hall of fame!!!!! He just has to be recognized!!!

You had dirty resistive fuse contacts on one speaker, and who the hell puts fuses in the speaker signal path anyway!!!! I know Magneplan used to and were chastised for doing it..

See, SEE, I told you guys... Neener, neener, neener...

Itty bitty shitty wire is bad. I told you that...

6-25.00 dollar fuses.. It can’t be floppin’ in the wind so to speak..

I like the 1.00 busman, TOO. Just not a lot of places. Where I can’t hear it. Perfect...

I have Infinity RS2Bs. LOL I've had them a LONG time. They have 4 fuses each..
Every two years new fuses, unless you want to hear BAD by year 3. Cheap busman 1 dollar fuses.
It's been 3 years sense I used them.. I use to put a dab of silicone on the fuse sides.

Time to feed the chickens...

Who cares what others say and do......that is their business. If you want to experience reality......then you need to have a direct experience. Talking about something is indirect.....it is meaningless. Only direct experience is real. If you want to know about fuses, directionality, wire, or anything then you need to listen to have ANY real knowledge. This is how it always was and always will be. You cannot argue with my experience......I cannot argue with yours. Your and my experience is real.....for us individually. This is all that matters.......Do you want to be happy with your stereo? Then listen and make choices that make you happy. Pretty darn simple. If you are waiting for someone else to to verify your realiy......well, good luck with that.

So, again.....what you have is people who have direct experience (real knowledge) and those that don’t and want to argue (be right). i took this class in Jr. College called marriage and family. The first thing the prof did was draw a line on the chalk board straight across the whole thang. He wrote on the left side "ego" and on the other end of the line he wrote "agape". He said the farther you are on the line to the right the more happy you will be and the more successful you will be in everything you do. This is the basic truth for all life. The more you act from ego (righteousness, judgment, separation, fighting, being critical, chest pounding, etc.) the more unhappy you are and the more you come from agape (unconditional love, caring, sacrifice, telling the truth, wanting others to be happy) then the more happy you are and the more you make a difference to the happiness of others. Pretty darn simple. So, do you want to argue and be right or be happy and bless others?.....you choose every second. You are powerful. You are beautiful.....you deserve to be happy. Choose Agape......it is more FUN!