Without doubt a very contentious subject but I will say that why should someone buy hyper expensive mains cables only to put in bog standard fuses . I have put in Blue fuses in all power plugs connecting my power cables to great effect. If you don't believe me then Synergistic give a 30 day money back guarantee so try them for a few days and then replace them with your old fuses. I don't think you will ce sending them back any time soon. Good luck and wiat till the trolls sniff out this thread.
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Geoff, you once again mischaracterize my position on the Hi-Fi tuning fuse. I am agnostic on the claim of improved sound, and have merely alerted tube amp users to what Music Reference's Roger Modjeski has said about their use in any DC circuit. He's agin' it ;-). As I said before, his full thoughts can be found on the now-dormant AudioCircle Music Reference Forum, for those who wish to read them. Got it now? ;-) |
@OP, As you can see, this topic brings out 'the best' in people. Try not to get discouraged. As far as Hifi Tuning fuses, Steve McCormack believes they do improve sound quality. As for Ayre, and Levinson, I would call them directly and get their take on it. I only own Ayre equipment, but my experience shows changing fuses to have negligible effect. Bob |
Regarding that ONE incident, SUPPOSEDLY caused by HIFI Tuning fuses: I repeat-
I’m looking forward to further evidence, of amps being damaged by, "high-end" fuses. Like I said, the Internet SHOULD be replete with the tales. One would think the Fuse Police, ought to have an easy time digging them up. Perhaps, AT LEAST ONE informed amp manufacturer(aside from our resident fuse cop), that warns against them in their owner manuals? No caveat emptor, in ANY reviews or magazine articles? Again, why would a correctly valued fuse(in voltage, amperage and time), as required by amp’s owner’s manual, be a danger to it’s DC circuitry?
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Again(from the other fuse thread):
It seems, quite a few that frequent this site, value the opinions of the Stereophile Magazine writers. Personally, I would think, they’d be somewhat conscientious, as much as they value testing things, before recommending a product/tweak, in their reviews and follow-ups. ie: https://www.stereophile.com/content/hifi-tuning-fuses and https://www.stereophile.com/content/hifi-tuning-fuse-follow-may-2012 It appears, no one(as of 2012) told them, about all(ONE of) those amps(purportedly) being destroyed. I’d further have to think, that highly experienced sellers(ie: Music Direct, VH Audio, Parts Connexion, The Cable Company, etc), would have been made aware(by now), were there an issue, and avoided selling anyone's, "high-end" fuses(and any possible, attendant liabilities). There again: Just my own observations/opinions.
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@rodman99999, the answer to your "why would a correctly valued fuse (in voltage, amperage, and time), as required by amps’ owner’s manual, be a danger to it’s DC circuitry?" question---a reasonable one, is exactly what Roger Modjeski (my "hero", according to Geoff ;-) provides in his writings on the subject of the Hi-Fi Tuning Fuse (brand name, not generic category). The Audiogon thread in which Modjeski discussed the fuse has been removed, but all one has to do to read what he has to say about it is go to the AudioCircle Music Reference Forum. Reading the related thread will provide the answer to your question; you will then never again need to ask it! If you aren’t willing to do that, I can only conclude the question was a rhetorical one. |
One has to wonder when that strange incident with the HiFi Tuning fuse happened that RM constantly brings up on every audio website he can find. Was it 6 years ago? 8 years ago? 10 years ago? Is he obsessed. Are fancy fuses his White Whale? 🐋 Thar she blows! Shiver me timbers! Is RM the real fuse troll? OMG! Be that as it may Audio Circle is the perfect audience for his uh, point of view, as it were. Here, not so much. 😬 |
As much as I love the sound of my Kinki EX-M1, I went and experimented with a PADIS fuse since accessing it is so darn easy. The fullness now that accompanies the extraordinary sound of the Kinki is most welcomed. All of that for $25. And they're PSE, UL and SEMKO rated and approved (meaning worldwide). I even went back to the standard fuse (a low cost ceramic type) and tried a Brimar fuse but the PADIS was the clear winner by a large margin. I personally don't see what all the hubbub is about when it comes to fuses: they work. All the best, Nonoise |
Here comes the fuse police..........Those who have convinced themselves that the change to "audiophile" fuses and experienced audio improvements have probably exhausted all other methods to improve a system's performance. While not ready to admit shame of a wasteful purchase, it's normal to convince oneself that something good has happened. According to a common term.....psycoacoustics. What really matters is that every human's perspective is different. Nobody can convince anyone else that what they hear is real or not. The purpose of fuses.....protection. Look further down the circuit chain to find possibilities of REAL results. |
@bdp24 - As I’ve stated before, numerous times, IF that article is correct, WHERE’S THE EVIDENCE? That ONE incident can’t be the only one, CAN IT? You can take his word for it, but- I’ve personally been using HIFI Tuning fuses in my tubed amp, DC circuits, for better than 12 years now, without a problem, EXCEPT when the occasional tube went South, and the fuse DID IT’S JOB. Far as I'm concerned, without corroboration, that article is, "rhetorical". |
Here comes the fuse police..........Those who have convinced themselves that the change to "audiophile" fuses and experienced audio improvements have probably exhausted all other methods to improve a system's performance. While not ready to admit shame of a wasteful purchase, it's normal to convince oneself that something good has happened. According to a common term.....psycoacoustics.Great. Another dime store shrink. All the best, Nonoise |
I couldn't care less if the Hi Fi Tuning fuse: 1- does or doesn't provide better sound than Buss, Little Fuse, or any other garden variety brand; 2- does or doesn't possess the potential to make possible damage to an amp. I have no ambition to make the case for either 1 or 2, prove either, influence or change anyone's mind on the subject. I had no idea that simply to bring to the attention of tube amp owners the experience with the HFTF that Roger Modjeski reported would require, even obligate, me to defend, even prove, that report. Shows what I know! |
Great thread with links to a relevant study. Study shows those who buy into this nonsense tend to be of lower intelligence. https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52023 |
Let me see if I have this right..... If, in a discussion about turntables, I post that John Atkinson has stated that he finds his Linn LP12 to better reproduce the timing element in music than any other table he has heard. And by dint of my posting what John stated it is therefore incumbent upon me to prove his assertion? Well I’ll be; I did not know that. |
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The assertion: HIFI Tuning fuses are a danger, to the DC circuitry of tubed amps. The issue: Thus far, NO evidence/coroboration, outside of one(purported) incident/report. All I’ve heard from the Fuse Police, are deflections and cop-outs. IF these fuses WERE a problem, someone else, somewhere out there, would certainly have noticed by now! |
The incident under discussion happened long long ago in a galaxy far far away. Too long ago to matter. Let’s move on. Frankly, I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if it wasn’t even true. Somebody’s got a bee in his bonnet 🐝 No big deal. Besides, gentle readers, even stock fuses have issues from time to time, you know, like blowing prematurely. 🔥 It’s not exactly a big secret. 🤫 |
its as simple as this.... If you have a type of system that will allow for it? Fuses will make a difference in what is heard. I have switched a few things around, and I was not be able to detect and fuse differences. That is why this debate never goes anywhere. Hearing it is totally system dependent. Besides.. Not everyone desires to tweak their system to the point where these differences will be heard. They and find those talking about the benefits as a pain, because they are content with what they are hearing as is. To each his own. Yes. Some in their system can hear differences. Others can care less and do not want to be bothered. They resist because they are happy with what they now hear and try to find reasons not to get curious. So, they will say someone who hears fuse differences is delusional to get the thought far from themselves. They simply do not want to be bothered. They do not desire the same thing from their audio system. Those who hear fuse differences out to change out their power cords to regular ones and they may find they can not hear fuse changes. |
I changed all 5 fuses For all 5 power supply providers At Marantz SA-11 S1 Exactly the same value I did hear differences in width switch and hear right from the box HIFI Tuning fuses PART 1 The difference was, but not very significant, to say there was a change. As new I returned the original I heard I immediately changed to new ones and there is a change AS IT WAS AS FOG ON OLD FUSE PART 2 I put it on for a few days.NON STOP And hearing ....comes back I switched to the original I heard then with the HD800 And the BCL Leiman amplifier to HEAR sound really differences I stopped after 10 MINT the original . the audiophiles HIFI Tuning fuses played for a few days The result is no doubt heard IN HIFI Tuning fuses A larger stage width The depth of the stage is impressive and deep TON And most importantly the height was more significant for example Flutes that were heard earlier at 10 are now at 11 o'clock The inner detail is greater Each fuse goes to another significant part of SA 11 S1 On other devices, I did not make the change PART 3 4 WEEKS ON Well I put everything back to my original FUSE and immediately heard that it was all without the same effect I had in new fusions BACK HIFI Tuning fuses TO MY SA-11 S1 |
"that’s why I included ...... among the mossbacks" @geoffkait , I haven't heard that term in ages! Brings back great memories. You must be a bass angler. " I felt it improved the dynamics in my Cary tube amp but only if installed in the proper direction! Placed the opposite way it degraded the SQ." @three_easy_payments, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. |