No disrespect, but you blew it. You had your chance to discover for yourself what the truth about break in might be right in front of you and you let it go. You could've kept them and in the end you might have been telling Us whether or not break in is real. And now you come to us, hat in hand, asking Our opinion and yet not wanting to believe the answer?? Nice....offhand, I'd say your mother was right.
This long break in is a reason Mike Morrow gives a 60 day return if you do not like them. 3 weeks of constant play ( I used a tuner set to mono connected to the input of an integrated amp ) showed an improvement in sq across the board. A long time no doubt, but worth it. I happen to find everything needs some burn in time ( power cables, speaker cables, and yes, fuses ) from various manufacturers. Enjoy ! MrD.
yeah I don't have a tuner which is a good option but I think how I have it setup will suffice. I also have a little sonos connect in another system that I may switch them to today and simply play my apple music library. I really don't want to leave a mechanical device continuously playing for 400 hours.
@stringreen lets just get this out of the way. At least I'm giving it a fair assessment. I am just not one to just accept anything someone tells me. This is an argument that has been raging for years so I want to hear for myself. If you don't like it then ignore the thread but I am not the only one that feels this way. So please don't attack me on a personal level for asking the question. I figured this would spark some debate however if you don't like my approach that's your prerogative, but try to take you personal feelings out of it.
Not sure if this is the best way to break in a cable. My friend who believes in all of this says 20 hours on and 4 hours off. I do not have any experience in his recommendation though.
I have heard differences but I have never myself been blown away with any cable. So take what I say as nothing to contribute I guess.
@bigkidz actually its a good point. I thought about that also. There are some that suggest that the cable will return to its normal molecular structure once the signal has been removed for a period of time, and under normal play if this is true then it would make sense to try and mimic normal playing conditions as much as possible, but I am going to take the recommendation of the manufacure and the documentation that comes with the cable in regards to expediting the process. Good point and thanks for the info.
Since you are going through all this trouble why not add one more twist have a friend attach the new burned in cable or not without telling you then switch it around or not a few times. I am not trying to provoke those who believe in burn in or those who don't but you say you're wanting a fair assessment. Just food for thought.
I had an experience of not liking the cable... The dealer saying let it break in... After a MONTH of playing 10 hours a day, it sucked just a much as it did on day one. With the dealer still saying it just need to break in... I returned it. Sadly I did not buy the cable i really wanted, instead I used the store credit to buy total junk I never really used. Only two years later did I finally pony up the $3,200 for the cable I really knew would solve my desires.
Before that experience, I had a cable, it sucked, then by day two it was pretty good. But I always remember the month long bummer I put up with based on 'It will break in'. Never again.
@bigkidz From what I understand this is the whole premise behind cables with battery packs lol... sorry I just have to laugh at that... anyway.. the battery is supposed to keep the cable supplied with a current to prevent the aforementioned from happening. This according to Alex at AQ among others. However I have spoken to a few electrical engineers that totally do not believe in that.. their words not mine. Just saying.
Thanks guys (gals?) HA! My partner is an electrical engineer and we always have conversations about stuff but in the end it all comes down to the sound in your own system.
I have said many times that changing resistors or a cap or two will do more for the sound in your system that other options especially when you consider the costs unless you are putting Duelands in there then [email protected](#&$&$&).
"Since you are going through all this trouble why not add one more twist have a friend attach the new burned in cable or not without telling you then switch it around or not a few times. I am not trying to provoke those who believe in burn in or those who don't but you say you're wanting a fair assessment. Just food for thought."
That is the plan. Well sort of. Since i don't know anyone else with the same cable that is burned in I can only execute the second part of the test. Which is comparing the burned in cable with the cable I am using currently. Since the cable is cooking now (no pun intended) unfortunately I will have to be the judge of if it sounds better in two weeks vs what It sounded like when it was new. Not sure how well that will work out, but I should have a good idea. I gave the system a good listening to and IMO it was so bad that I should be able to judge if its better. How much so we will see. Really the only thing I can do moving forward is to compare the cable to what I have, which is the ultimate goal anyway right. So I have a couple friends lined up to help me with the blind test. I just need to find a way to do it without continuously connecting and disconnecting the cable once burn in is complete. I will think of something. Thanks for the suggestion.
I think you may find the ’on-a-while-off-a-while’ advice that crops up infrequently seems to have more to do with some silver designs than maybe anything else. I had some MAC IC’s that were like that and, if I recall, if I didn’t play them at all for more than a week, they would revert back to an ’un-broken-in’ state. Needless to say I didn’t keep them for very long.
@elizabeth Exactly what I am trying to avoid which is why I was a little disappointed at the start. This is a phono cable. I purchased my ARC phono stage 2 years ago and it just now hit 400 hours so I just think its ridiculous to have to wait 2 years to reap the benefits of my investment. Its not like I play 20 albums a day so under normal play it will take a long long time before reaching that sweet spot. Your dead on point with my frustration.
Ha! NOT connected!
But I think that guy had some crazy introductory offer at the time....something like that if you were buying your first IC's from him, you could buy this particular set from him (that was normally like $200 or $250 or whatever), but again, only if it was your first time buying from him.
"I paid for the 2 day burn-in service from MA."How does this go? You pay for burn-in service and then are told that you need to burn cables in for another couple of weeks? What is the burn-in service for? You are a nice guy and not that hard-headed, after all. I would pay for expedited shipping back, if I were told that.
@glupson. The burn-in you can choose how many days you want them to burn them in. I did not realize that the recommended amount of time was 400 hours. Now to fair I did not see this info on the MA website when I ordered them, but was not looking either but I won’t say it’s not documented. I did however read from other reviewers that there was a substantial burn in period but I just thought that meant more like 50 hours or so. It’s not uncommon for manufacturers to have a recommended burn in period but for a cable I just thought 48 hours would be enough. The cost was minimal so I just said “why not” don’t even get me started on what I really think about paying for burn-in services geez. Anyway. You pay them to burn them in for however many days you choose I guess maybe to get a jump on it. Just so happened in this case I was told that 50 hours is when the cable starts to sound it’s worst and that I needed to wait for another 100 hours or so before things start to “really turn around”. I still have about 55 days or so before I’m out of the return period so I said what the heck let’s test it out. So that’s where we are. :)
When using the XLO Test CD burn-in track, it is suggested that track be played continuously for two weeks, but that improvements should be audible after a day or two, which I think is true. The obvious advantage of using a burn-in track is that everything in the entire system gets burned in, not only the cables. So, is anything ever 100% broken in? That is a philosophical question, however all evidence points to NO. So how many hours in two weeks for those who don’t have a calculator handy? 336.
There are at least a few steps for proper cable care and feeding, burn-in is just one of them. E.g., cryogenic treatment - even if already done in-house - is recommended, and if not done in-house then highly recommended. Then there’s contact enhancers for all cable contacts. And of course, determine proper direction for the cables. Demagnetizing and ionizing cables periodically are de rigeur for any serious audiophile. There are other steps, too, but most likely beyond scope.
If the cable is for from a turntable TO the phono box. it will NEVER break in. PERIOD The signal is far too small to break in, and the after broken in cable (you broke in on some other component) will never see enough voltage to STAY broken in !!!So I say return it. On the other hand if it is from the phono box to the preamp. then it might? stay broken in, but ONLY IF the phono box is left on 24/7
If the phono box is only turned on when you use it? then RETURN THE CABLE, you are wasting your time. Buy a cable that sounds good out of the box, or good within a few hours... do your self a BIG FAVOR, get rid of the nonsense break-in cable. SERIOUSLY.
Uh, I’m pretty sure there is a break-in LP for analog systems. If there isn’t there should be.
Whoa! Hold the presses! This just in! I guess the lesson here is NEVER SAY NEVER. I trust no one will accuse me of shooting fish in a barrel. 🐟 🐟 🐟
A pickup system requires a certain break-in period to achieve the best reproduction characteristics. This settling time depends on the specific pickup - from construction and from the sampled signals during this time. Usually, this break-in period for a phono cartridge with a music signal is about 40 to 100 hours. This settling time can be shortened significantly, however, when pink noise is used as a signal in an endless groove.
To this end, the Clearaudio Cartridge Break-In Record provides 6 endless grooves with a pink noise signal (tracks 5,6,7,9,10 and 11). In addition, 240 seconds are added Pink noise signals for measurements of the entire playback system available (Track 14).
To test the frequency response of a pickup is a moving (sweep) sine test signal from 20 Hz to 20 kHz (Track 3). The total noise of the playback system can be tested with an empty record without signal "silence" (Track 4 and 13) (duration 300 seconds). Optimization of the anti-skating force adjustment allow Tracks 8 and 12 Both channels include a 316 Hz sine wave signal with a continuously changing phase difference from 0 to 360 grad on the diamond sample movement is repeated this way, changes of horizontal to vertical movement. The amplitude increases from -22 dB to + 8 dB.