Skeptic or just plain hard headed


So I purchased a pair of Morrow Audio phono cables. These are the PH3 with the Eichmann connectors. Wanted to start there to see if MA cables will be a viable option for my system.I think my story is not so unique to others who have purchased MA cables. So no need to go into the hu hum of burn-in in regards to MA cables, and how things sound bad at first, then gets better,  then excellent...yada yada yada. I know the story about this product.  I simply am one who is not a believer in electronics break in periods, or battery packs on cables, etc... Regardless of what side of the fence you are on in regards to that Im NOT trying to start that debate again please.. Anyway. After reading several reviews of the MA cables and understanding that most agreed that the cables needed a substantial burn-in time, and that the cables would not sound its best until this happens I decided to give them a try. Thinking ok lets get a jump on the burn-in period (if the concept is true). I paid for the 2 day burn-in service from MA. What I didn't expect is that when I got the cable it would sound as bad as it did in comparison to my existing name brand cable (not getting into that either, not relevant). I thought well the cable might not quite be up to snuff with all this talk about burn-in (if its true) but not that much of a difference.  I mean as soon as I dropped the needle on the record I immediately heard a profound difference in sound stage and clarity degridation. Needless to say this cable was destined to be returned to MA for a full refund and my thinking was "they are crazy if I am going to trade my cable for this cable" So I decided to give MA a call to setup the return. Talked with Mike Morrow (very nice guy by the way) and we had our differences in what I should expect out of his product. Now my Mother always told me that I have a hard head.. I heard that growing up all my life, and when you couple that with skepticism it makes a pretty, well lets just say not a very fun person to have a debate with lol. However Mike insisted that if I return the cable that I would be missing out on the fruit they would bare after 400 hours of break in. 400 hours??? really!. Oh at that point I was really ready to return them. I told all my friends "Mike must be nuts" (no offense Mike) no way am I going to wait a year to hear what this cable is capable of, AND I do not have any way to expedite the process...at least I thought I didn't until I found an old sound bar I don't use anymore with analog inputs. Ok I know you pro MA and  pro cable burn-in folks are chomping at the bit. Im almost done. Take your hands off the keyboard for just a few more lines. 

So here is the deal to be fair I am going to be open minded about this because Mike really made me feel like I would be missing out if I return the cable without a proper burn-in (great salesman), and since he had such conviction I now think I have to test this thing out right??. Now I know that there are testimonials out there about how the MA cable improved over 100s of hours in their system, and that they are now "blown away". However can you really hear a profound difference in a cable you play in your system over 170 hours or so?  I would think a gradual difference would be harder to detect. I mean my system seems to sound better to me everyday without making any changes. Is it because of  continued cable and electronics burn in?? maybe. Or maybe its just my brain becoming more intimate with the sound of my system. Well this test I'm doing should reveal a night and day difference from what the system sounds like today with the cable pre burn-in if there is any merit to the notion. In regards to does it sound better than my existing cable that is yet to be determined. I think my goal now is to prove or dis-prove if cable burn-in is a real thing. This whole idea has evolved from if it's an improvement or not over what I use today. We can discuss that later.

I now have the cable connected between a cd player , and a sound bar with a CD playing on repeat. The disc of choice for this burn-in is rather dynamic so it should be a good test. At the end of 16 days (384 hours) I will move the cables to my reference system and do about another 20 hours of additional burn-in to compensate for moving the cable. This will put a total of 452 hours of burn-in on the PH3. When I put this cable back in my system I sure hope it sings because this is a lot to go through to add a cable to your system. Mike if you are right I will eat crow and will preach from the highest mountain top that you are right, and that cable burn-in is REAL.  For me anyway the myth will be considered busted or reinforce my belief that cable burn-in is a bunch of BS. 

For those who will argue the point of cable burn-in I fully understand the concept, and I don't plan to get sucked down that rat hole and I won't argue that....yet because at the end of this test I may be in your camp and I don't want to have a steady diet of crow so for now I will remain neutral on the subject until the test is complete.  However I will be totally transparent and honest about the results. So not trying to make anyone angry as I know beliefs about audio are sensitive subjects, and rightfully so this hobby is expensive and I like you have a substancial investment in this. Just trying to get to the truth. I also understand that cable burn-in may actually happen when you consider it from a scientific perspective, but the real question is can you actually hear the difference.  

I will report back to this thread in 17 days from today (need at least one day to evaluate) with the results. 

happy listening!!

-Keith
barnettk

Showing 15 responses by mrdecibel

This long break in is a reason Mike Morrow gives a 60 day return if you do not like them. 3 weeks of constant play ( I used a tuner set to mono connected to the input of an integrated amp ) showed an improvement in sq across the board. A long time no doubt, but worth it. I happen to find everything needs some burn in time ( power cables, speaker cables, and yes, fuses ) from various manufacturers. Enjoy ! MrD.
Over on the amp/preamp threads, under the Ramtubes, who would like to ask a designer some questions, there was talk by me about amplifier warm up. I feel it is very god reading by Roger Madjeski. Enjoy ! MrD.
What if I told you power cables make tremendous differences in sq, and require burn in / break in time. All products require it. Lots of articles / threads about that. Enjoy ! MrD.
I said early on in this thread that MA cables do need quite a bit of time to break in, as I own some. I cannot explain most things that I hear, but, I hear them. Enjoy ! MrD.
barnettk, do you know who Doug is ? He has a bit of experience behind him ( lol, this is all I want to say ). Enjoy ! MrD.
dorkwad, of course I know who Doug S is. I was asking barnettk if he knew. It seemed to me like he was clueless as to who Doug was, stating " taking one for the team " . Enjoy ! MrD.
I was an investor with a company that made cd rings ( does not matter the company or particular product ). I lost some money. I am a believer in green markers on the inner and outer edges of cds and dvds ( dvds were not available at that time ). The engineering team behind the production of these rings claimed 2 specific reasons for the benefits and enhancements heard ( yes I heard them ). Based on memory : ( 1 ) The light of the laser was contained within the boundaries of the cd. Greater intensity of the light created a better " read " of the zeros and ones, eliminating the need for interpolation ( read up on it ). The green markers do the same. And yes, green sounds the best, ime. ( 2 ) The outer edge of the cd was prone to vibration, and the application of this ring minimized this vibration. Again, to maintain a better " read " of the zeros and ones ( the information ). Many after market devices were developed to minimize these vibrations, and the transports from various companies became popular for the same reasons ( Pioneer’s stable platter, and the majority of top loaders with their weights and pucks ). Transports are " significant " in their ability to get the information off the silver disc, and, ime, as significant ( or even greater ) than the outboard D/A converters used after them. Just some information to those who might be interested. Enjoy ! MrD.
It reads from the center out, and changes rotational speed as it plays ( faster to slower ). Enjoy ! MrD.
I don’t know about this test. You and this audiophile buddy, discussed what it was you would be listening for : " imaging, dynamic range and overall SQ ". So, it was already " in your minds " that these differences would exist. 2ndly, 6 times ? Was that really enough times to make a determination, and to reach a conclusion that one was better than the other. Hogwash. Enjoy ! MrD.
Barnettk, I cannot believe you have been " pulled in ". You already observed the break in process. Or, were you imagining it the whole time. Enjoy ! MrD.
Morrow, from their beginning, was always into burn in. Geoff, yes. After several years, he and his team, this summer, introduced " dramatic and improved " changes in his cable design. Read about it. Once on his website, click the box " About Technology ". Then click " Latest Improvements ". Now read " New vs. Old Design ". Everything has changed, except they have always used the individual stranded wire design. But this element of the design has drastically changed as well. After I read about all of the changes, it made me wonder if the original design had any " rightness " to it, or, were they wrong this whole time, as I do have half a dozen pr. of Morrows, which do sound good, but not the best I have. Enjoy ! MrD.
barnettk. I appreciated your response, but I have to say, if you knew me from reading any of my posts, you would have seen that I was just playing devils advocate, and was completely messing with you. I hear pretty much everything ( specifically with music reproduction ). Without questions or doubts. I stated earlier on in your post the fact that Morrow cables needed 400 - 600 hours for break in to sound their best. I believe everything needs time to break in, and, warming up of components. I have been pro power cables on other threads, and have spoken about many different tweaks, making significant changes, for the better. My middle name is tweak, and again, I am sorry you took my post as serious. I hear things rather quickly, but I appreciate the test, it's completion and the end results. Good for you, and your buddy. I am a skeptic as well, but not about what I hear. So, in ending, have a wonderful New Year. Maybe try an upgraded power cable next, or experiment painting the edges of a cd you think is bright ( as many of them are ). Just...………..Enjoy ! MrD.
barnettk, yes, it is all good. I do not think people being smarter than you is actually a true statement, as your test showed quite a lot of smartness. If anything, listening experience might be all that some of us have, to a greater degree. Your results told me that " you " do not need to be skeptical when listening for differences. Being the king of skepticism makes the test even more amazing. A truly great job. As your heard cable break in, and the differences between the AQ and Morrow, you stepped up a level or two. H.N.Y., and Enjoy ! MrD…………………………………………………………………….. I feel you are ready with the next adventure. Power cables. Start inexpensive. The test should not be a test at all. Just relax, listen, change, relax, listen, and repeat if necessary. 1 seqment, of 1 song, of your choosing ( creating engagement, enjoyment and is very familiar to you ). Do not listen " hard " , or intently. Be casual, stay relaxed, and just listen to the music. We will meet again my friend. Enjoy ! MrD,.
Not only would you be the " skeptic king ", as you said, you will be known as the " listening test king ". Did you hear differences the 1st time around, when you replaced the ac cables, that you would need to repeat it ? If it makes you happy, just to be sure, and to document the % of differences between the stock cords and the aftermarket cords ! Enjoy ! MrD.