@mapman - the responses to a question on AG are tempered by peoples personal experience or preferences - not to mention the various tangents people go off on.
Factor in Gear combinations, room acoustics etc..and I think the AI response could end up being a little confused/complicated?
Also, buiding the AI database would have to contain the various components/cable permutations and user preferences.
On the surface it seems like a good fit, but the existing and expanding information base would probably be largely incomplete, so it would not really offer viable responses.
But then, I could be wrong.
I'm sure it will happen someday, but presently searching AG and forming your own opinion based on responses and user might be the best way to go
Regards - Steve
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I would think that Audiogon was one of the sources that ChatGPT was trained on. The dataset it was trained on was absolutely enormous. Chat GPT does a pretty good job on questions like “what are the sound characteristics of say McIntosh equipment. When you ask questions like what are the best sounding DACs and what are the sound characteristics, in general it does well, but you have to verify. It may very often pick streaming DACs or some odd items that are not quite in the category.
Bard / Gemni can be far less useful. The other week on Sunday I asked if the stock market was open tomorrow (it was not)… it gave a long explanation… and was wrong! It said it was open.
So, the training set matters, and verification is required.
I can’t imagine the forum making much money… so it would be hard to see the huge investment needed to implement AI likely. But it would be fun.
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I noticed my Linn turntable was making some noise yesterday so I google searched the topic in Microsoft Edge and was able to resolve. MS Edge provided an answer from copilot that was also useful.
I work in technology development for a major US financial services company. We have started to leverage copilot there as well to a limited extent initially. That particular AI app seems pretty good with knowledge in the technical domain. The information is usually accurate. I also have started to dabble with Poe app and find that very useful in general as well.
My first real job back in the 80s was in developing pattern detection and signal processing algorithms for government funded mapping systems of the day (hence my moniker). I have good familiarity with how these things work. They should definitely be capable of providing reliable answers to many questions in the electronics and high fidelity audio domains, including identifying patterns in subjective as well as objective knowledge. We live in very interesting times in this regard!
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I’d invite folks to try asking your favorite AI app some hifi audio questions and sharing the answers and your thoughts on those here.
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@ghdprentice no doubt how the network is trained matters.
One thing I like about Poe for example is that when asked a question it often puts a disclaimer at teh top that its knowledge only covers up to a certain date, so for example it would likely say what it knows about Stock Market hours but qualify that it does not have recent information to base the answer on. That’s awesome! How may people are able or willing not just to tell you what they know but also exactly what they don’t know? That’s the right way to do things!
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Audiogon Intelligence???
What are you really talking about. It is a lot farther away than distance to Jupiter!!
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Audiogon Intelligence??? What are you really talking about. It is a lot farther away than distance to Jupiter!!
Well, maybe a very smart computer application with access to lots of relevant data could help close the gap? You never know!
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ChatGPT is fine on topics where it has a vast amount of data. Ask it a question on something niche and can just as easily make sh*t up as give you the right answer.
Literally, it can just invent an answer that isn't true. It is getting better but it could be a while before it can be trusted.
Come to think of it, it has traits very similar to some forum members here. (just kidding)
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You need to be able to sort the wheat from the chaf.
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I presented Chat GPT with the classic "Beatles vs Stones" question the other day. Chat GPT is clearly a Stones fan. I guess I must have pushed a little too hard on my strong Beatles preference and pissed it off.
Alexa instructed my Samsung refrigerator to set the temperature at 17 degrees and froze everything, put my LG washer in the spin cycle at 2AM, opened and shut my garage door endlessly, and overcharged the Tesla catching the garage on fire.
I'm just glad I didn't ask: "What is a paragraphic frequalizer?"
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I asked chat Gpt
does audiogone forum need chat gpt?
ChatGPT
Whether Audiogon forum needs a chatbot like ChatGPT would depend on various factors such as user engagement, community needs, and the platform's goals. ChatGPT could potentially enhance user experience by providing quick answers to common questions, facilitating discussions, and offering personalized recommendations. However, it's essential to assess whether implementing such a feature aligns with Audiogon's objectives and whether it would positively impact the forum's community dynamics
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Here’s an example of not resdy
My Q
Are all streamers the same. After all bits are bits.
ChatGPT
While it's true that streaming involves transmitting digital data (bits), not all streamers are the same. Streamers differ in terms of content, style, personality, audience engagement, and overall streaming experience they provide. Bits may be the basic unit of data, but the way they are utilized and presented varies greatly among different streamers.
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One more and chat GPT waxed prosaic BAM
ChatGPT 3.5
Do expensive power cables make a difference?
ChatGPT
The effectiveness of expensive power cables is a subject of debate among experts. Some argue that they can improve sound or image quality in audio and video systems by reducing interference, while others believe any difference is minimal or nonexistent. Ultimately, it often comes down to individual preference and the specific setup of the audio or video system.
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I have tried the 3 AI platforms asking about are specific releases of albums are all analog AAA. They have a lot of hallucinations on this question. But always worth asking
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When AI achieves the following I would consider it, but it's still a long way off.
DeKay:
Q: Does a chicken have lips?
ChatGPT:
A: No, but it has cheeks.
DeKay
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I heard a lecture yesterday by Jennifer Heimberg. She is the Program Director of The National Acadamies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine in DC. She talked about many of the positive benefits of AI but also some of the alarming issues. One is that AI has lately been creating scientific papers, completely bogus, but with all the proper look, to justify a possible outcome. The other conclusion I took away is that AI confirms confirmation bias. If you want it to justify an opinion that you have formed, it will just that, but it tends not to give an unbiased presentation.
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+5 mahler123
Inexplicable. Complete trust in AI for everything is an unfathomable human trait in some. As a monitored and understood tool, fine. But, one can quickly search out hundreds of anecdotal examples of GPS catastrophes running drivers over demoed bridges, off interstates to snow closed roads incurring death by hypothermia .....it goes on and on.
Celebrate the positive aspects, but this will also develop into an occult technology. Look up occult before going crazy. It's descriptive medical terminology we use all of the time.
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One is that AI has lately been creating scientific papers, completely bogus, but with all the proper look, to justify a possible outcome.
No need for A.I. anybody who studies the scientific litterature know that...
Many ex directors of prestigious medecine publications tell their observation : Half the publications are not trustfull in any way because the dice of statistics are loaded.. it is easy to verify that on the web.
All big corporations are criminals if not by intention by necessity (profit and control.)
Now imagine that you give A.I. technology to these corporations designed to be criminals anyway as they are ? They are criminals in design since Bernard Mandeville the ultimate economics and master psychological thinker since 1700 (says Hayek) designed their organization and the economy of the psyche and the financial and material economy, and the social classes organization way before Marx and way better and before Adam Smith who plagiarized it completely and hide his main concept with a more benign one ( vices are replaced by self love as the market roots as explained in the genius of Mandeville truth are not so good to tell to everyone anyway thought Adam Smith 😊 ) ?
Sorry to say so many things in this short sentence and question ...😁
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Audiogon intelligence exist but distributed among a lot of uninteresting posts...
To answer the OP question...
The good news is that it is very easy to separe the wheat from the chaff ...
it takes me time in the beginnnings for sure...
Now it is as easy as reading a simple book...
It was way more difficult for me to understood who is right and who his wrong in medecine...
The last 4 years help us a lot to see who are the fraudster and why and how ...
We learn by studying...
in audio by experimenting ...Reading about gear impressions is almost useless in the long run ...Save to buy a relatively low cost synergetical system. After that nothing will replace acoustics experiments sorry ...
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When AI can hear and appreciate music then it will have something to say.
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@tonywinga
Neither of those is a barrier to AI. The interesting part will be how it is biased compared to others. We all are only able to process and draw conclusions based on the information available to us and same with a computer.
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We are able to experience and feel. Music is more than patterns of pressure waves. Music can inspire, soothe, excite and help us morn. AI only parrots what it compiles from entries with perhaps some algorithmic filtering to remove less popular opinions or information. And that is scary because the majority is not always right.
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AI is still a computer and the first axiom of computers is, “garbage in, garbage out.”
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It’s true the computer itself can’t “feel” but it can synthesize data. Data provided by others about music can be synthesized to allow the computer to “think” similarly. What we feel is based on what we think so….
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What we feel is based on what we think so….
I think you need to study psychology a bit more...😊
We are able to experience and feel. Music is more than patterns of pressure waves. Music can inspire, soothe, excite and help us morn. AI only parrots what it compiles from entries with perhaps some algorithmic filtering to remove less popular opinions or information. And that is scary because the majority is not always right.
You are right in my book...
But A.I. as it is now is only a biased encyclopedia who can speak...
Alas! or Rejoice!
A,I. will be replaced by way more advanced maths already published about something A.I. called artificial intelligence with neural network LLM models could not compare : artificial consciousness or A.C. the first few books for his design are already published since 2020... It is so revolutionary the engineers of silicon valley dont understand it yet ... the dude genius designing it is Anirban Bandyopadhyay. I know because i read his books ..
it will be S.F made real ... 😊
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Weaponizing new technology is part of the game. Alfred Nobel developed nitroglycerin and dynamite to improve the efficiency of large construction projects, removal of material. And then, Volkswagen-sized projectiles tossed 22 miles at other things to destroy them.
The Internet was developed and championed by well meaning smart people with only good intentions for mankind. And now? Mixed bag.
Biology to improve our understanding of germs, molds, pasteurization, leading to germ warfare, purposeful infection of wool blankets with small pox to infect others, the tossing of dead bodies with Black Death over the walls of the enemies.
I was concerned there for a moment. Smile and enjoy your music systems.
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The Fermi paradox is explained by the autodestruction of civilization as stupid as we are by a natural filtering process...
This is the bad news.
The good news is civilization old as billion of years has survived their own stupidity and immaturity when they were aged the same as us now long ago by a conscious redesigning of their social fabric to eliminate psychopathic corporation and their psychopath rulers...
The design of the actual capitalism corporative psychopathy was thought about in 1700 in the beginning of the industrial era and in the beginning of English democracy by a genius who anticipated Freud unconscious concept and all economical main concepts before Adam Smith who plagiarize it and rewrote it and before Marx and way more deep than him.Hayek the founder of neo liberalism school called it "our master to us all "...His name was Bernard Mandeville. His short writings were so deep they contains all we need to know about our society foolishness ...
If a civilization must survive it must create a social fabric separation between economic power and science and education and put an absolute wall between them... In the same way politic must be completely shielded from lobbies and no power must ever be given to those who seek it. Only those who had real authority despise power. Einstein refused the presidency of Israel. The leader must be elected and chosen , he must not propose himself. Being a leader is a punition imposed a responsability not a privilege and excuse to profit and impose egotic power .
Science is neutral but sorry technology is not science. Weaponizing a technology is a symptom of stupidity and immaturity of the social organization not a symptom of progress.
Anyway i smile and listen to Bach ...
Weaponizing new technology is part of the game. Alfred Nobel developed nitroglycerin and dynamite to improve the efficiency of large construction projects, removal of material. And then, Volkswagen-sized projectiles tossed 22 miles at other things to destroy them.
The Internet was developed and championed by well meaning smart people with only good intentions for mankind. And now? Mixed bag.
Biology to improve our understanding of germs, molds, pasteurization, leading to germ warfare, purposeful infection of wool blankets with small pox to infect others, the tossing of dead bodies with Black Death over the walls of the enemies.
I was concerned there for a moment. Smile and enjoy your music systems.
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