Your advice needed, speakers to buy $8K to $13K


Hello All - I am shopping/buying speakers and want your advice and recommendations on what speakers to audition that might meet my needs/wants. I am looking for floor standing speakers in the price range of $8,000 to $13,000 with the following info for you to consider:

·       I currently have an older CJ 120 wat system but am now changing my entire system starting with speakers. I am looking at AR LS28 or Primaluna EVO 400 tube preamps and a class D power amp. Right now, the Bel Canto 600 with 300+ wats.  My plan is to add tube magic in the signal path at the preamplifier.

·       I stream mostly via Bluesound Nod 2i but for serious listening I have a Linn LP12.

·       I need speakers that are not to room, location or set-up fussy as I have moved a few times and will move again.

·       My listening tastes are diverse although I don’t listen to rap, heavy metal, pop or much opera. The rest is fair game.

·       I love to crank-it-up, but I listen mostly and moderate to low volume levels – the speakers MUST sound good at low volumes

·       Tied to bullet above - I am partial to highly efficient speakers with 90 db efficiency or more. I have a have the impression that higher efficiency speakers still sound good at lower volume. I have been told, by salespeople, that this is not correct, so I open to efficiency below 90 db.

·       I need and want something pleasing to the eye and not obtrusive. Said another way, and to give you an idea of my aesthetic taste, absolutely no Tektons.

·       The sound that engages me emotionally and I am looking for in speakers:

o   Lots and lots of air and space

o   Beautiful imaging

o   Big soundstage

o   Extended highs (I like the sound of ribbon tweeters as it seems to extend way up and sparkle…airy)

o   I like base but only as a support and foundation for the rest of the musical range, but it is not a big focus for me as it is for some.

·        The sound I do not like:

o   Sound that seems reserved, held back, constrained (i.e., opposite of special and airy)

o   Sound coming clearly from a box or from specific location….as in from a box

o   Lack of extended highs

o   Blooming base

·       Considered to date:

o   Alta Audio Alec, $10K – Spacial and airy to a fantastic level. Imaging is just moderate.

o   Spacial Audio X5, $7K – To date, they have check most of my boxes except they are really large and obtrusive. Basically, I am looking for this sound but in a more attractive package.

o   Ohm – Very open and airy but imaging and top end sparkle missing for my taste

YOUR CHALLENGE – What other speakers should I consider and looking at?   Thank you in advance for your thoughts!

 

Dave


butterman
I’ll second the Vandersteen Treo CT’s. I have had the original Treo’s for a few years now and continue to be blown away by how good they sound. I have similar music tastes as you and listen to vinyl, CD’s and Stream and all formats sound great at both low and high volumes. They are definitely worth auditioning. 
+6 (or whatever we're up to) for Legacy Audio. Girlfriends come and go, but my Signature SEs stay.

Sublime sound and particularly beautiful in the rosewood (although JL19's olive burl ash sounds lovely). And at the bottom of the OP's price range.

Obviously, there is a world of great choices for $8K or thereabouts, but what I and others are saying is that you just can't go wrong with Legacy. Stunning fit and finish, rock-solid workmanship, and top-notch people.
At that budget you can get 
- Kii Three 
- Dutch & Dutch 8C 
- Genelac 8361 with SAM 
- Dynaudio Focus XD 30 or 20 
I'll chip in and 2nd the suggestion of Tritons...great imaging, open, delicate tops and deep, deep, controlled bass. Have about 91db efficiency. Currently I run an NAD M33 out to mine and have zero complaints.
Why is efficiency an issue, if your projected amp will be 300 watts?
In your price range, Rick Craig at Selah Audio could do something really special, tailored to your tastes.  Many of his designs are a little less efficient, say sub 90.
Daedalus makes higher efficiency box designs that are lovely, and can sound very nice at low volumes.
ATC 19A.  Forget the amps, you don’t need them.  Sealed cabinets so less interaction with surroundings.  Quite dynamic and really really fast.  Substantial bass yet not rumbling.  Small unobtrusive footprint.  10K/pr.
I went similar shopping and chose Revel Studio 2's.  (used 6-8K) new 12K.  Excellent for the money.  I have since upgraded to Salon 2's , but I have a big room.
They are not the most efficient, but are smooth and a great value if you can still find them.  Excellent imaging and soundstage, non fatiguing.
Solid resale.  I believe the Salons and ?Studios are discontinued,  My thought is that they will be reinvented by Revel at a much higher price.
Whereabouts on the planet are you? I have a pair that are 92 dB efficient, bass to 18 hz but flat to 24hz and articulate! While these rock concert levels I really like that I don’t have to turn them up to hear all the detail in a recording. These speakers are sensitive to source and really respond to proper component matching, they’re about the size and weight of the revel salon 2’s, but more attractive and much easier to drive. My favorite passive speakers evah. 
I wish David had gotten enough seed $$ to build his self powered ES headphones. They were nice too.
Most every speaker mentioned are unduly/unwieldy heavy. I offer you Emerald Physics OB (I have 3.4s). There's a couple models available right now in AGon ads. Both had an MSRP in ~ $10K range, but now available < $3K
Spoiler, I was referring to the persona 7f and while they list for $25k pair my misfortune is going to turn into someone's score.
I like the Vandersteen Treo CT and at the top end, Vandersteen Quatro Wood CT (used).
For a little more you can get the new ProAc K3's or in your price range the ProAc K1's 
 
These could be your End-Game speakers 
 
I heard the K3's with a Yamaha A-S3200  Great match and one of the best speakers I've ever heard period.
Even on You Tube you can tell these ProAc K3's are very special 

 Listen to this with GOOD Headphones and it sounds much like you would hear at a Live Concert

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e98y8kHpmR4
1.  Something used...

I like OHM, but agree that if you like top end sparkle they may not have what you want, particularly with your electronics.

Salk SS 9.5 comes to mind, has options to open the back to add air and space if you like.  Top notch drivers, build etc.


@buttermanI was in a similar position as you and there are certainly a lot of very good choices and suggestions out there!

Like you I have a large room to fill with music. My room is 40x16x10 and there is a large opening to an adjacent room that really almost doubles that. My amp puts out 285w into 4ohms so it’s not super powerful by any means but it has some juice and is very musical!

I ended up going with and highly recommend the Monitor Audio Gen5 Gold 300s! Their newest in the line...They are gorgeous with their Piano Ebony and leather finish, and are even better sounding than they look!

The tweeter is the best I’ve ever head and I’ve listened to about every brand for 30 years or so. They are incredibly detailed and have a WOW factor on both the attack and decay! Yet they are never forward or in your face. They just present highs like cymbals like never before, just adding them into the music in their proper place when in the past with other speakers they were muted or not even heard.

The mids are beautiful and life like making Voices come to life. The likes of Norah Jones or Stevie Nicks jumps out at you with such a sense of realism that they sound as if they are there with you in the room!

The bass is deep, tight, and fast bringing fullness to any track you are listening to! The bass can also get down right crazy listening to tracks from the likes of the Dirty Heads who put that exaggerated bass into the recordings. The Gold 300s puts it out in spades making one look for the 15” subwoofer, that doesn’t exist, in the room! Lastly the need of sound output is not a problem, they play big and really need a large room to fill with music. They fill my space with ease and I find myself setting the volume where I did with my last set of speakers only to find myself coming back and turning down the volume. They can play loud!

The Monitor Audio Gold 300s are at the bottom of your price window at $8000 but as I have found out will out play most anything in their class!

TAS has given it a editors choice award two years running. There a lot of very positive reviews online about it here are two. They deserve an audition!

https://totallywired.nz/loudspeakers/monitor-audio/monitor-audio-gold-5g-300-loudspeakers/


https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/monitor-audio-gold-300-loudspeaker-1