We were asked for an opinion......that's it......Just shows our individualism....Enjoy ! MrD.
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@mrdecibel when we were younger, the raw energy of Undertow drew us all in. Nothing like that sound had really been done before so it was new to all of us. That said, I think it would be pretty hard to deny how much the band has matured and evolved and progressed through the years and specifically to this new album. It's just on a different level of artistry than Undertow. Like I said, undertow rocks. No question about it. But what they created on this album is a masterpiece. The same cannot be said of Undertow from an artistic sense. |
I think I am on my sixth listen as I played it on the big system late this morning. It is definitely a keeper, and I find it to be recorded quitter well. I have the 24/96 digital version from HD Tracks. It doesn't seem compressed to me. Even my wife said today how good it sounds. Maybe I got lucky with the download, I dunno? |
Thank you for the post! Been curious to listen to this. More so now, and will have to be added to my "list"... While not a huge fan, I did listen to Aenima and Undertow quite a bit. My CD's have been in storage for years, and I recently ripped everything so I could put it all on my DAP. And, as a result was listening to Tool again. There is something interesting that happens when a band "grows up". If they are close in age to the listener, the hope is if the listener "grows up" maintaining a certain synergy with the band, they will stay relevant. There was another performer whom I was a huge fan of and have seen live many many times - more so than any other by a long shot. With every new release I felt as though they continued to make sense as I was dealing with new stages in my life. And, with every new release, there was a concerted effort to "give it a chance". This as the releases were evolving, as was the performer. The investment to work through the changes was always worth the effort. Here's an interesting video. I love listening to "British" people speaking "properly" about things that could be perceived by some as being on the fringe... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3L42kKemrg Thanks again, P PS - This is how threads on Agon should be discussed... |
@burndonesinkchair I don’t like the way Tool’s albums are mixed; they seem to go for the "wall of sound" type of mix, rather than placing the musicians on the soundstage. I’m listening to the 1993 Undertow CD which has low compression and excellent dynamics. You can hear that the drums are behind the singer, but the guitar and overall instrumentation has a wall of sound mix. It’s a great album with excellent sound, but I wish they had some separation of instruments. It would be nice to fully hear the interaction between these excellent musicians. The later CDs have higher compression so it’s doubtful that there would be any improvement. I imagine vinyl would be the way to go for quality listening. Anybody have the Tool albums on vinyl? |
This will be my second time seeing them live. Ate plenty of acid listening to Aenima in my twenties. I would've loved to eat shrooms at our concert in A.C. In November but I'm driving home so it's a no go. That would've been great. I don't do drugs anymore, not in a LONG time, but it would've been nice to let go one more time! |
@jafant Yes, it's probably the last album. BUT.........I was thinking, since it took so long, maybe they have more material that they recorded. Wouldn't it be great if they dropped a bomb a year from now with unreleased tracks? Hmmmm.... Remember, Danny Carey is 58 years old. The rest of the band ain't no spring chickens either. This could very well be the final record. My buddy and I just bought our tickets for the Atlantic City show. Can't freaking wait. |
Been listening since the weekend to Tidal streamed version via Roon (4-5 times), until last night when I listened to the 96.0kHz/24bit version. The improvement was obvious (although it was not HUGE, maybe 10-15% better) in the first 45 seconds. Mostly it was in the realm of improved imaging, as each sound comes from a tighter apparent point source. |
Does HD Tracks have their own mastered file delivered to them? I doubt it. The 24/96 mastering for download is indicated in the DR Database. http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=Tool&album= It’s what I’ve been listening to via Qobuz and it sounds terrific. The DR for the CD appears to have the same specs as the downloads. Edit: Actually, the CD has higher compression than the hirez download. Too bad, the record labels will never change. With CDs we're stuck with an inferior product. |
Has anyone downloaded/purchased the new Tool from HDTracks? I'm even more interested in the sound quality of the original CD releases of Tool's catalog compared to the HDTracks. I like everything about Tool with exception to the strange equalization in production. The sound quality of APC is vastly different and I prefer the production on APC albums over Tool's. I like Tool more than APC; just wish it sounded better. I’m holding out on buying from HDTracks until I can reasonably expect it to out-do their CDs. |
Today was my third listen and I have to say I truly like it a lot. Listening to it on my main system today with the wife out for a few hours was truly amazing. It really does need to be played a little louder than you normally would to hear and feel some of the details, but what a reward when you do. @uberwaltz...……………... I listened today with the 300wpc Mac amp and it really sang through the GE Triton Refs. The entire room was pressurized yet the meters on the amp were only averaging between 30 and 40 watts. It was so clear and right sounding. Thank you for the kind words. |
I'm on my 5th listen and i sill really like it. I love the guitar tones throughout the record. The bass tone and delay about 1:15 in on Pneuma is wonderful and classic tool in my book. All the percussion and vocals sound great to me as well. Not a fan of chocolate chip trip or mockingbeat. As far as compression goes, it doesn't bother me on this record unless i'm thinking about it. Other modern metal albums are way worse (e.g. the last two unlistenable baroness albums). Great thread and fun reading every ones opinion. Anyone going to see the tour? |
@helomech ...you say you listened to it three times and you find little worth celebrating. Then you say you love 10,000 days. Just goes to show you... I listened to 10,000 days when it came out and couldn't stand it. I've listened to it on and off for 13 years and I still can't stand it. Fear Inoculum floored me on first listen and it only gets better each and every time I hear it.I guess so. We can't all have great taste. ;-) |
@helomech ...you say you listened to it three times and you find little worth celebrating. Then you say you love 10,000 days. Just goes to show you... I listened to 10,000 days when it came out and couldn't stand it. I've listened to it on and off for 13 years and I still can't stand it. Fear Inoculum floored me on first listen and it only gets better each and every time I hear it. Ahhhh, vanilla and chocolate, I guess. Lol. |
I would not go as far as to say I love it but I certainly like it a fair bit. It's playing again now and I honestly find it refreshing and not because waited 13 years for it. Again it is NOT Tool of old and likely was never ever going to be as 13 years have passed under the bridge. Just like Eat The Elephant was not in the same vein as earlier APC offerings. Does not detract from the elegance of the music standing on its own merits. |
I agree with uberwaltz. Many Tool fans have a hard time accepting anything after Aenima, which I fully understand. It’s really interesting to hear the progression that the band has made over the years. With each album you can see how they get more melodic and experiment with polyrhythms, time signature changes, etc. For many, that may not be as exciting as their earlier, straight up rock sound.I didn’t have much of a hard time accepting Lateralus and 10,000 Days. I think the problem I have with FI is that it sounds less like progression and more like a rehash of Lateralus’ riffs and melodies. Maynard showcases little of his talent on this one. I’ve given it 3 full listens now and I find little worth celebrating. It doesn’t stir me in any way. In contrast, I loved 10,000 Days and Lateralus by the third listen. I can’t believe I’m saying this for a Tool album that was 13 years coming, but I won’t be buying FI on any physical format. I might give it another chance in the distant future. It seems I’m among a very small minority who dislike this album but I find it so disappointing that I’m honestly surprised by how many love it. |
It’s a shame how compressed the new album is. Also sad how compressed the remasters for download are.Ironically, Maynard is a fan of vinyl. |
So far I've gotten through about 3/4 of it on the way home from work but what i HAVE heard made me either spontaneously drive off the road caught in the daze or partially loose the ability to control anything at all. In other words in made a huge impression in a very first listen which Tool has not been known for from past releases, st least not top me. I think it may become my favorite 😮 and I'll be the first to say that i never thought in a million years, that would be the case. Aenima was brilliant but this might be better. I'd like to think that people who enjoy their music have grown just as much as the musicians themselves and expecting a rehash of the past is not something anyone should've been counting on, especially from Tool. Besides the overtly compressed mix, the production isn't half bad i think but i have yet to actually sit down in front of an actual system and listen. In any case the new album did not disappoint. In fact, It's surpassed any expectations |
It’s a shame how compressed the new album is. Also sad how compressed the remasters for download are. Looking at the DR DB it’s easy to see the affect of the Loudness Wars; Tool CDs released in the 90s have lower compression, thus better dynamic range. Albums released after 2000 are super compressed. It really hurts the music of a band like tool where there are polyrhythms which cant be fully appreciated, bass and kick drums compressed together, and vocals in the middle of it all. At least, I have a couple of original CD releases. Hearing how compressed the streaming is, I’ll pick up the other CDs. With regard to the new album, it will take a few listens before I make a judgment. |
I'm wondering if they hurt their overall sales, releasing it the way they did. I was all set to buy it as soon as it came out without having heard anything from it, only to find out that every record store only had a handful of copies of a "special edition" CD. With that and the fact that people can stream it now for "free", how many will buy a physical copy? I know I'll pick up a vinyl copy when it becomes available, but I wonder how many others will be content to stream it. I hope they negotiated good terms when they set up their streaming deal. |
Not sure I’m on board the compression train 🚂 Toot! Toot! for Tool, with the exception of Undertow. I do not knowingly listen to compressed CDs. I went to tool school where I learned to be a tool. http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=Tool&album= |