That’s where Patapoutian and his colleagues came in. After pinpointing cells that responded to changes in pressure, they identified 72 potential genes that might encode an ion channel receptor to facilitate that sensitivity. Of those genes, they found just one — the last candidate they tested — that did so. It coded for a novel ion channel protein, Piezo1, that could be activated by mechanical force. This is probably an explanation for frisson, which lots of us experience when sound waves physically touch us and not with just our ears. All the best, Nonoise |
There had to be something beyond eardrums that add to our sensation of hearing. This makes total sense to me. As the mystery unravels
it will be interesting to see what new transducers evolve. |
There has been an ongoing discussion regarding subwoofers and tweeters that >go way up< here, and whether they are relevant to reproducing realism. I think this is proof that all energy in the musical reproduction spectrum has an effect on the listener.
To what extent will be interesting to find out. |
Come and hear. You will find out.
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Well, the neighbors high school daughter called Monday night to ask if I would please turn the music down when I was testing my system out to get the over-under on db levels. Dead quite, with the AC off, 42.1 db. And then the loudest my system will play with precision, Lee Michaels, the Lee Michaels album, the loudest sustained of all my music, 120.2 db.
The idea that a teenager would call me to turn it down was amusing. It was pure concussive ecstasy. 😉 |
Every time after warm up, when I sit down, I get the head/hair tingly thing, along with the arms/legs goosebumps.
I love it, never had this with any of my older stereos! |
Well, the neighbors high school daughter called Monday night to ask if I would please turn the music down when I was testing my system out to get the over-under on db levels. Dead quite, with the AC off, 42.1 db. And then the loudest my system will play with precision, Lee Michaels, the Lee Michaels album, the loudest sustained of all my music, 120.2 db.
The idea that a teenager would call me to turn it down was amusing. It was pure concussive ecstasy. Hate to break it to you but that is not exactly the sort of ecstasy stories that start out that way are supposed to end with. |
You’re not breakin' it to me, I was just ribbin' you. 😉
It is that something extra that the music conveys to people that learn how to listen, at reasonable volumes, that makes the expense worthwhile; don't you think? |
In future years our current understanding of the sensory systems in the body - in all living creatures - will seem simplistic, and will further bury by sheer force of accumulating lab data the ridiculous notion of spontaneous generation and accidental advancement of life. The rude treatment of hearing versus seeing that is espoused by audiophile skeptics is caused by another sensory system, the Posterior Numismatic System, which sends impulses indicating the thickness of the wallet one sits upon, influencing the perception of the sound of the system.
I'm only half joking. All audiophiles have deep biases when it comes to spending money, and they are kidding themselves if they don't think it influences what they think they hear, or don't hear. |
@nonoise, I think frisson is a feeling you get from emotional excitement, a thrill. That excitement can certainly be from something you feel or hear. |
@mijostyn, I used to think it was just an emotional response that some have but that finding had me thinking there's a physical reinforcement of sorts going on as well.
All the best,
Nonoise
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In future years our current understanding of the sensory systems in the body - in all living creatures - will seem simplistic, and will further bury by sheer force of accumulating lab data the ridiculous notion of spontaneous generation and accidental advancement of life. The rude treatment of hearing versus seeing that is espoused by audiophile skeptics is caused by another sensory system, the Posterior Numismatic System, which sends impulses indicating the thickness of the wallet one sits upon, influencing the perception of the sound of the system.
I’m only half joking. All audiophiles have deep biases when it comes to spending money, and they are kidding themselves if they don’t think it influences what they think they hear, or don’t hear. The sophistication of electronic gear present in our own room is limited by available money...Yes.... Acoustic is at least HALF the part of any high end system...Do you know that? Surely... When you ears touch the sound and look at it , changing an amplifier of 10,000 bucks for a 100,000 bucks one is for most people unwise and useless ... Why ? Because if rightfully embedded, any relatively very good system will do the job at a very high level...Save minute differences... Then constantly saying that audiophiles dont know and cannot know because they cannot afford some gear is a snob gesture not science... Use electrical and mechanical and acoustical control on a relatively good system and you will be relatively NEAR of MOST of the best system that exist, save the extra costlier one in an extra costlier acoustically controlled room... This is fact....No boasting against people here... Instead of boasting about some gear why not learning how to install ANY system? By installing here i dont speak ONLY about "pairing " costly components but using mechanical, electrical and acoustical controls... |
« There is no colors , no sounds, no odors, no tactile SEPARATED impressions, no SEPARATED tastes; there is only a RELATION between all these stimulus united in one experience for the brain of a baby, for an artist or for a synaesthete»- Anonymus Smith
do you means that i dont hallucinate when i meditate on Bach geometry? or in the sexual impulse of some jazz?
This is why Mozart could help the digestive process better than Scriabin? |
Listening music you just said had almost nothing to do with the ears alone ? 😁😊 Helen Keller blind deaf and mute listening music... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YyhgVjRXFQ «Anybody knows that music has nothing to do with isolated sound, but everything to do with meaningful sounds»-Groucho Marx directing the orchestra of his brothers... 🤓 «Music comes from the body first before coming to the body» -Anonymus Smith |
No need for Nobel laureates to tell me what sitting beside a boom box on wheels at red lights has informed me of for years. At any rate the research is about tactile stimulation from pressure waves at least the part you're trying to insinuate has anything to do with music. |
No need for Nobel laureates to tell me what sitting beside a boom box on wheels at red lights has informed me of for years. I can live with your minimization of this scientific news.... Your joke make sense... At any rate the research is about tactile stimulation from pressure waves at least the part you’re trying to insinuate has anything to do with music. But your ignorance emerge with the second part... Sorry.... «Small minds only perceive trivial facts»-Anonymus Smith |
I understood what the research was about, perhaps my ignorance is above your intelligence. |
«Our ignorance is always above our intelligence»-Djones+mahgister
Anyway...... |
"This year’s medicine prize is awarded to David Julius and Ardem Patapoutian. Their discoveries have unlocked one of the secrets of nature by explaining the molecular basis for sensing heat, cold and mechanical force, which is fundamental for our ability to feel, interpret and interact with our internal and external environment." -Nobel Prize committee. |
Explanation with visuals. And remember folks, your inner ear is a mechanical transcription device activated by sound waves, so this applies to that as well. and it appears that what makes your inner ear that device can also make other parts of your bodies interface with it's environment sense stimulation through sound waves as well. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0896627315007266 |
Thanks interesting and deep.... |
