omg that's all I have to say...
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You guys are awesome, My cousin has fond memories of the 901's in his dorm back in the 80's,
Cerwin Vegas were awesome when I was a kid and I would call them great beer drinking speakers!
I'll Look into the Klipsch forte's, I am getting over all my preconceived notions (I've never been much for JBL or Klipsch but I havent heard much of the older gear, I was tainted by the cheap newer stuff in my early adulthood) But I reaaly want to get into the older JBL's
NHT 2.9 Looked awesome havent checked out the 3.3
And Schipo, Dude It aint about what you listen to, Its being connected to the music and having it invoke an emotional response. I listen to everything including just getting into Etta James, She Can Freaking sing man! But I'm sorry for coming back but it offends me to see people not welcoming the younger generation. It is attitudes like that that have created the IPOD Dock boom IMHO! The Idea that HI-FI is just for classical or opera is what is KILLING THE INDUSTY IMHO, I feel we need to educate people again that even the boy bands (God I hate them!)girls listen too can sound awesome on nice little system. There was a time people were about LISTENING TO MUSIC, Lets bring that lousiana vibe worldwide!
PA speakers are also an option. Jbl eon, qsc, mackie, even behringher if you want low cost. Size can be a factor however. Most of these are self amplified too.
Ifs its a small space, Studio monitors. KRK sts6, KRK K rok, and powered versions like the v8, v6, the rokit series. brands like m-audio (bx8)., Tannoy, samson, yamaha, behringher, nht pro,
Lastly you can go classic. OHM L, jbl century 100, boston acoustics a100, klipsch heresy, ads l710, m&k s100b with a sub
People are dumping older big box subs so pick up a couple on the cheap to fill in on the low end.
Just remember, Systembuilder, if you're going to play that music loud, make sure that your 200 watt amp is top-notch. You're much better off with something more powerful for loud music. In my band, I use a QSC amp rated at 700 watts/channel into 8 ohms to power my 250 watt rated main speakers. The reason that's done is to avoid the clipping distortion that occurs at lower listening levels with lower powered amps.
I second the Klipsch Forte, Forte II if you can find them. They are extremely easy to drive and take power so they are not prone to failure because you shouldn't ever have to run your amp into clipping. I envision a double stack, top to top for extreme output, they can be found cheap. I would take the Klipsch Forte over the CV or the bank of midrange drivers the 901s provide in a skinny minute. Very dynamic and live sounding, bass, perfect for rap/hop hop.
That being said, rap is not my preferred genre. I left my favorite music store twice this week because of Lil Wayne. By the third track I just couldn't take it anymore. Funkadelic and Reggae are both in my recent rotation at home, but I will never forgive rap for ruining soul and r&b.
"Just remember, Systembuilder, if you're going to play that music loud, make sure that your 200 watt amp is top-notch"
Dont worry about that I am a firm believer in amplification. I would never go with less than a Adcom 555 or 5500
Also has anyone tried out Crest amps Specifically the CA Series?
Thanks for all the input I really appreciate it
I'm not sure where you are, but there is a set of Klipsch Epic CF-4s for sale in Lombard, IL. I sold them to a guy about 3 years ago and he has them for sale once again. Dual 12" woofers in MTM. 104 db @ 1w/1m, and they play in to the mid 30hz arena with some authority. I really cannot think of a better suited speaker. I believe he is asking $1,000 for the pair. They were absolutely mint when I sold them to him, and since he is a huge Klipsch collector, I imagine they still are. He also has a pair of KLF-20s for sale, but my money would be on the CF-4s.
If you truly want Audiophile quality and I assume put some big power on your speakers, this is a tough question... I suppose Klipsh or maybe some old Altec's would typically handle it. Basically, look for the largest voice coils and highest crossover frequencies and you have a shot for them to live. If you want it to sound good, but not hard core audiophile, I would recommend BagEnd. Yes, Legacy Focus would be great.
Thanks man, Its really frustrating being a serious music lover and Audiophile and dealing with the Bias and dis regard for the younger generation
Thanks a million, I love the old school 80's rappers (You know slick rick made it to the top and on videos with one eye, now thats talent) and to quote Humpty Hump (Shock G from Digital Underground) "So Humpty, Why do you wear a funny nose and glasses" "IT GETS ATTENTION"
Dave Wilson is the man, My tech worked with him and I have talked to 2 other folks around who have met him and all consider him a very nice guy.
I am running a Pair of Nautilus 803S's right now which have a crossover of 350 for the mid range but with no excursion capabilities (2 MM of excursion is maxing out what the driver is capable of) I love their sound but am afraid to pound them, I have heard alot of great things about old Altecs, I appreciate all the help. (These are for me I was asking for my friends when I set them up with a system)
And to all those who feel good about criticizing other peoples taste in music, I am not going out of my way to criticize how you live or what you do for fun, and do you want this to be a club for elitests who do nothing but sit in their exact listening position and focus analy on whether or not they perfectly hear that trumpet in the 4th row back, or real people having a good time listening to music and actually bringing the industry back as oppose to music being a total background thing for my generation.
I love my HI-FI but I dont sit in my seat and listen crucially unless I am trying to review a piece, I play music and do what needs to be done and rock out when I get the chance.
My friends all buy Onkyo HTIB's Etc. because they dont know whats out there, also when Magnolia was closing I went with my best friend with around 15K to spend between the both of us and no one would even approach us or give us the time of day, It was only because I new one of their head designers and said hey, Asked to buy from him but he cant sell just design, so he turned us on to a salesman who has become my friend since but we were their for at least 45 minutes telling salesman we wanted to buy Mcintosh gear and we brought cash. THIS CANNOT HAPPEN! Folks under 30 have money and still want to buy 2 channel, not alot but were out their and are sick of being treated poorly, Why do you think Hi-FI Sales are down but IPOD Docks and small stereos (Aiwa, Audiovox etc.) are at an all time high?
To all the positive folks I have encountered (99%) thank you and keep enjoying the music to the other 1% grow up yall, I said it along time ago and still stick with it "Folks who listen to ICP (Insane Clown Posse, Lowest Common Denominator music) have no better or worse taste in music than you or me" We all listen for emotional impact, Lets stick with respectful commentary on a forum that is based on aiding people listening needs for enjoyment, not bashing people for not liking the same thing as you.
I find myself recommending the same 2 "older" pieces of gear over and over again on these boards because they offer such great value on the used market and seem to do a lot of the things folks request in threads like this. Anyway - find yourself NHT 3.3's and, should you need an amp for them use an Aragon 8008BB.
very well said!!! i am also in the "younger generation" and feel the same as you do. i listen to music because it moves me, not because its a reference track that shows off my stereo. i dont sit for hours on end in a sweet spot and analyze every little thing, i could care less. if the music sounds good to me then thats all i care about.
Great idea for a thread!
Throw a 250 or 500 w/ch Class D amp at a pair of modern OHM Walshes. They will rock your world and never break a sweat! Guaran-damn-teed! They have all the muscle and finesse needed to deliver the goods with any kind of music from RAP to symphony to big band to death metal to solo acoustic and will never chase you out of the room,
Well, I have heard a few modern loudness wars CDs that might put you a tad on edge, even with the mighty OHMs. But truly not many....
Yeah, I'm gonna agree with my friend Mapman on this one. Ohm Walshes are definitely worth a look. They're insanely well priced, they go really deep, and the pseudo-omni design means you don't have to sit perfectly still in a tiny sweet spot... they're great party speakers. Throw gobs of good solid state current at them and they'll really, really rock. I don't have a lot of hip-hop or rap in my CD collection, but Lauryn Hill and the Dr. Dolittle soundtrack CD, both with lots of hip-hop influences and deep synth bass, sounded splendid on my Ohm's.