Can a off the shelf DAC, if engineered/implemented good, sound as good as a custom DAC?


I heard 2 conflicting rules for DAC chips:

1) It's not so much about the DAC chip, but how well it is implemented

2) Custom DAC chips will beat off the shelf DAC (ie ESS) chips anyday 

 

So my question is... if for instance, the all in one DAC streamer Sim Audio Moon 891 which uses a ESS DAC chip... can it sound as good a Grimm Audio MU2, Lumin X2, or M3I which all have custom in house dacs? 

dman777

I'm of the opinion that the output stage is 80% of the sound quality.  What I've seen DAC chips bring to the table are different distortion profiles (sound, not necessarily measured THD+N), linearity and how well they handle Redbook (44.1kHz/16 bit) music.  Of course, a modern DAC has vanishingly low jitter via less expensive very consistent oscillators.

I honestly think we may like DAC's with poor linearity, as they enhance how a signal fades and may give a lot more air.  Around the early 2000s DACs also made a big jump in quality for Redbook, meaning the delta between that and Hi res playback really narrowed. 

@mclinnguy    Excellent quote by Charles Hansen.

In addition to what other posters have stated - in my revealing system, the SQ from my DAC changes with the type of power cord installed.   What’s strange about that is my DAC is battery-operated.  It should be immune from AC input.  Perhaps, the battery runs part of the circuitry - but not all of it.  Or maybe, the effects are parasitic.   

So, if AC to a DAC affects the SQ, the next question is how clean is the AC power that’s feeding the system?   

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Re: SQ.   Also, add the impact of the digital interconnect.   Let’s not forget tube-rolling for tube DAC’s.    Everything matters!

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Custom FPGA is a joke compared to what the best modern chips can do. And the chips achieved perfection years ago.