Speakers for newbie

Hi everybody,
my 1st post but i spent lots of time reading the forums.

I've got Marantz SR6006 receiver and thinking about purchasing B&W P6 series. Ill be listening 50-70% to music and 30-40% movies.

Please let me guys know what do you think, any help greatly appreciated. Sadly my budget is only $1000

I'm not familiar with the P6, but B&W generally need lots of power. Despite the power rating on the Marantz, I don't think you can drive them to their full potential.

There are some very good full-range speakers listed on Audiogon - in your price range - that I think would make a better match.
At your budget level, I would recommend the PSB Image or Imagine line of speakers. You can get the Image T6 for about your budget price new and it is an exceptional speaker for the price, very close to their Synchrony line. they also make other floorstanding and bookshelf speakers and work well for both music and HT. Paradigm is another good brand offering great bang for the buck.
Thx Guys,
regarding the PSB Image T6 - the nominal impedance is 6 ohms, minimum 4. Marantz output is 8.

This is from the manual:
6 – 8 Ω
@Seditious3 - do you have any recommendations?
Get vintage Klipsch Heresy. In good condition they're arround $500.
Look at Tekton Designs. Thy have lots of good models in your price range!!!
Good suggestions given already. In your budget, if you can find them used, Daber Monitor 3 speakers or any in their line. Great under the radar brand.
I would strongly suggest the Magical S5,
Can"t go wrong with those
Unless your room is quite large, I'd skip floor standing speakers -- too much of the budget goes into the cabinet. Since you are using an AV receiver (big plus!), you can easily utilize a subwoofer.

Take a look at the stand mount speaker & subs from HSU Research.

Another good choice would be from NHT.

Are you looking for 2-channel or what?

The stated specs for your receiver rate the amp section at 110wpc with only two channels driven. I also noticed that the whole component weighs only 26lbs. I don't know, but I'm sensing that there isn't much of a power supply there. My two channel stand alone amp weighs around 40lbs.

Whatever you get, I'd stick with speakers that have a pretty stable impedance curve and are pretty efficient. I'd stay away from B&Ws. They really like power to sound their best.
Great suggestion of Hsu Research. Several packages in your price range. I own their subs but not their monitors. I found a pair of great metal stands by Sanus at Parts-Express. Great value.
@Bob Reynolds: I would say my room is medium size 18'x22.
Ultimately i am looking @5.1
But i rather buy now 2 front speakers and next year another 2.
Do you guys think i made mistake of buying SR6006?

My Current setup is 5.1 with SpeakerCraft 4x Aim3, Center MTR3C and sub Valodyne VRP-12. I had to go with Ceiling speakers due to room layout.

In 2 weeks we are moving to new place with normal layout :).

I was hoping i could keep the center speaker (IMHO is pretty good) and sub. and this year buy decent pair of fronts.

Do you think if I add another $500 or $1000 i could buy better set?
thanks guys for your help!
I read about Tekton design, they could be good match
whats your take Lore or Mini Lore?
GoldenEar have gotten rave reviews in the mags

look into it!

If I was you, I'd be looking at used speakers. That way, you can try them and if you don't like them you can sell them at a minimal loss.

You said that you have a medium sized room. Is this going to be a dedicated listening room or a family room. If you're only going to be sitting 7 or 8 feet from the position of the speakers, you may be better off going with a pair of nice monitors, since you already have a sub.

There is such a thing as having too much speaker.
I've always been a fan of Totem speakers and would recommend checking out their options. In particular, a pair of Arros would make excellent fronts which you could later combine with a set of Dreamcatchers or Mites and a Storm sub to make a full 5.1 system. Arros routinely come up used on Audiogon for around $700-800. If you can stretch your budget a bit more, a pair of used Hawks for you fronts would be even better.
No, you did not make a mistake with the Marantz SR6006. Using an active sub will reduce the power required by the main speakers. The big win for you is speaker setup and room mode correction.

Seriously, search the web about the HSU stand mount speakers. If you can arrange it, use one of the left/right speakers as the center instead of the traditional horizontal center channel speaker design.

If you feel the need to spend more money, then NHT Classic Three gives you a sealed 3-way design.

If you want to up the ante, then the Wharfedale Jade 3 would be my first pick; again sealed 3-way design. Even the Jade 1 is within your current budget; though not sealed. Personally, I think the Jade speakers look great with naked drivers.

I would also consider upgrading the sub at some point.
Purchasing used speakers is much safer if you someday want to skip and get different ones.
I'd check out the dynaudio excite line
@EJlif - the dynaudio line is 4ohm ... my reciever is 80hm



Among a million others. How far away from the speakers will you be, and how big is the room?
@Seditious3 - room is about 18x22 and i think i will be 12ish feet away.
@Bob_raynolds - you gave me lots of homework. :) Nice suggestions though

Good thing about NHT that they are made in Benitia, 40 miles away. They have a showroom. So i'll be able to listen to them.

HSU and wharfedale Jade's look promissing. I wish I could listen to them before i buy them.
@Eslaudio - the totem line is also 4ohm :/
@Tonyangel - thx for your input? Do you have any suggestions?
You said to stay away from B&W, does that includes also the bookshelf speakers, the 6** line series?
Just because your amp is rated at 8 ohms does not necessarily mean it can't drive a 6 ohm or even a 4 ohm speaker safely--particularly if you're not planning to crank it up to maximum volume. It might be worth contacting Marantz (or a good dealer) directly to inquire whether there is truly threat of damage if you use lower impedance speakers. It might open up your speaker options considerably.

Man, I'm not trying to give you the impression that I know it all. I don't. All I'm saying is that A/V receivers generally aren't built to cater to two channel listening with full range speakers. Most people get small surround monitors and cross them over at 80hz or higher and let a sub do all of the heavy work, so that the receiver doesn't have to.

I know that weight isn't a very technical yard stick to use to measure an amp's performance, but I've found that when an amp is heavy, it's usually indicative of a good size power supply, which your unit doesn't have.

My only fear for you is that you might wind up with a pair of speakers that really need power to get good sound and any kind of volume out of them. This will have you pushing your amp. What kills speakers usually isn't power, but distortion and distortion is what you get when you push an amp to do something that it wasn't meant to do.

If I was in your shoes, I'd be looking at a set of speakers that present a stable 8 ohm load to the amp. When you look at reviews or tech specs, pay attention to the impedance curves. Some speakers are rated at 8 ohms, but can dip down to around 4 ohms when playing music.

I'd also be looking for something that is fairly efficient, say in the high 80db range.

I really can't recommend anything for you because I've had to stick to small monitors, due to kids and space limitations.

Right now, I'm running Silverline Minuets. They are pretty efficient and don't need much power, but they are SMALL and likely not what you're looking for. Perhaps you might want to look into the Zu Omen line of speakers. They are rated at 98db efficiency and present, I believe, a 12 ohm load.

You can, at times, find factory second Zu speakers on ebay at a good savings.

Of course, all of this is really just for the sake of discussion. The fact of the matter is that no one here can tell you what's going to sound the best in your home.

Quit tearing your hair out and don't treat this as though it's going to be a life altering decision. Stick to the used market and get something that you think you'd like.

As long as you buy smart and stick with quality, selling them won't be a problem.
First, I am a believer that one should fix their sights on a pair of spekaers they love and then get the amp to properly match and drive those speakers.

Unfortunately, you are doing it the other way as you already have the amp.

If your heart is set on B&W, thats OK. The good news is you have a full set of pre-outs on your SR6006 allowing you to add an external power amp to drive whatever pair of speakers you end up getting. A separate amp with a solid 100 wpc of high current power should get the job done with about 90% of the speakers out there, regardless of impedence. A decent amp will cost about $800-$900 new and used for alot less.

So go out and listen to speakers and decide which one sounds best to you. Then drive it with your Marantz and see how they perform. If the Marantz doesn't make them sing to your satisfaction, you have the comfort of knowing you can seamlessly add a power amp to your system.
I based the suggestion of the Wharfedale Jade 3 on the review of the Jade 7 in Stereophile (http://www.stereophile.com/content/wharfedale-jade-7-loudspeaker). If the other speakers in the Jade line measure anywhere close to the 7, they're winners.
You can see some other measurements of your receiver at Home Theater mag: http://www.hometheater.com/content/marantz-sr6006-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures.

Clipping for solid state amps is generally said to be at 1% distortion. 1% is not going to damage any speaker. With all 7 channels driving an 8 ohm load, the receiver can produce 83 watts with 1% distortion. The amount of clean power available will drop with lower impedance loads.

Personally, I would not worry about the power issue. Worst case is you may have to pick up a 2-channel amp for the left & right someday. At that time you may decide to get a 5-channel amp and eventually switch to a pre/pro.

The Tekton Lore and mini Lore are great choices. If it were mine, I would go for the Lore. I am reviewing Tekton's Enzo speaker for TNT-Audio.com. The Enzo looks to be a great performer too but out of your price range so look to the Lore.
Yeah, man. Go buy something and let us know how it sounds.

I've gotta admit, the Lores have my interest, since I found out today that we're gonna have a spare room pretty soon.

The only thing that bugs me is buying new, when in the situation that the OP is. Say he gets a pair of M-Lores at $650. He's paid $650 plus, what, $100 in shipping? Now say he doesn't like them. What's he gonna get for them. $400 plus shipping?

Now say he buys a pair of B&W 685s for around $450, used and he doesn't like them. He'll likely get his money back, if he sells them.
I just want to thank you all for the great inputs. I really appreciate it. I feel like a little puppy left on huge farm haha. All of your suggestions are pretty smart and make sense.
Only speakers I listened so far were B&W and Marti Logans @BB (also Klipsh and infinity but I didn't like the sound).
I think I gotta go and listen some more.

I am moving on 13th, when I move I will know exactly the layout of the room, how far speakers will be away from where we will sit etc etc. That will clear out some questions.

I also like idea of getting 2 or 5 channel amps if more juice is needed for the speakers. Do you have any suggestions for new and used that would work well with my SR6006.
Thx again, your expertise is greatly appreciated.
I agree with Tbromgard and the Tektons. I have a pair of the m-lores I bought for surround speakers a few weeks ago, but I am enjoying listening to them as my main speakers. If you have a large room, the Lores would be a good choice. I have the m-lores in a 35' x 15' x 8' loft, and they fill the room with music. I even tried them in a second system with a Marantz 1603 receiver and they sounded very good. They also have surprisingly strong and deep bass for being so small. Very open sound, good with all types of music and not real fussy about placement.

For $1000, you could also try a pair of Zu Omen speakers (they are having a 'Dirty Omen' sale with a pair of Omens for $999). They have a 60 home trial, so hard to go wrong there.
As far as amps go, considering your budget, I'd say look at some NAD amps. Some consider NAD to be poor man's hifi. You can pick up a pretty beefy NAD amp with 100+ wpc here and on ebay for a couple hundred bucks or there abouts. You might also want to check out some B&K amps. If you can scrape together another $1K, there's some nice stuff to be had here on the gon in the classifieds.

I've been running my 20+ year old Aragon for a little while now and am starting to get the itch to try something new myself.
I keep seeing the Tektons mentioned. I found the web site, but there's very little useful information provided. What do they weigh, what's the crossover point, what's the limits on the frequency response, how about a dispersion graph or directivity index?

What's with a short box and the tweeter being below the woofer? Do I have to sit on the floor?

Just curious.
My recommendation for amps is ATI http://www.ati-amp.com/home.php.

They are made in the USA. Build quality is high, they measure well and sound good. NAD and Rotel, at that same price point, are cheap by comparison. I've owned all three over the years.

If you ever go the pre/pro route, then an amp with balanced connections has advantages (see their balanced amps). But to go with your av receiver now, the AT1202 would be sufficient.
Not trying to hijack, but I have to ask about the ATI amp.

Bob, how would you rank the ATI amps as compared to higher end amplifiers. I'm asking because I've seen some really good deals on the 1202 model and really not having much experience with them, just dismissed them, apparently out of ignorance.
After Bob's mention of the ATI amps, it kind of made something click in my head. I mentioned the NAD because that's what I started out with and many have had good luck with them.

Still, as mentioned by many, there is a lot of good stuff to be had used.

Just remember to be smart when buying and try to stick to reputable sellers. In any case, a quick search on ebay showed an ATI 1502 and an Aragon 2004 for sale. Either can be had for $400.

I don't know about the ATI stuff, but I've been running an Aragon 2004 for a while now and I really love it. It's rated at 100 wpc at 8 ohms and 200 wpc at 4 ohms. I don't think it's ever broken a sweat with anything that I've hooked up to it.
ATI is very good, so is Aragon. I don't like Adcom at all, really. I'd take just about any good amp over Adcom.
Hi Tony, the most expensive amps I've owned were a pair of Bryston 7B SST monoblocks. I bought an ATI AT602 for my office desktop system and came to the conclusion that as much as I like and admire Bryston gear the additional cost wasn't justified. You are basically paying for the 20 year warranty. I still like Bryston and Parasound JC-1s, but I think ATI competes for much less money.

I've owned a Krell 300 watt integrated amp (before the Brystons) -- most unmusical piece of gear I've ever owned.

I've owned a couple of NAD and Rotel integrated amps and they are fine.

The little AT602 is built well and sounded smooth and musical to me on my desktop driving 4 ohm M&K pro monitors.

Don't know if that helps much.

-- Bob
Bob, I appreciate the information. Personally, I'm a bang for the buck type of guy and have found that amplification is one of those areas where you can find some really good deals on oldish equipment.
Hi guys,
we got the keys yesterday and moving in on Thursday :).

As of the room: Its 18' x 24'. So I will be about 12 feet away from the front speakers.

So i went to Magnolia and listened to couple what they had Martin Logan Motion 40, they were okay. From the B&W selection I like the CM9’s the best (but they are $1500 per speaker).

Also I went to another shop and listened to KEF Q700, they sounded pretty good ( there is a pair being sold on audiogon web site, 40 miles away from me). So then I asked to listen to KEF R700 and they sounded 10 times better then Q700 :/. I also listend to R series that was bookshelf and did not like it at all. I liked better the B&W bookshelf. I think sound was more richer.

I am reading a lot of good things about Tekton M-Lores and Lores (that are in my price range) and I am thinking about to pull the trigger on Lores. Do you think size of my room is adequate?

Or should I go and listen to some more speakers?
With a room that size...you are going to need a sub with monitors...as they can get "lost" in large rooms...or an 8" driver or more floorstander...different opinions abound on which is better...since bass is often the Achilles heal of tower speakers...those opt for a sub...however...towers don't need stands (an often overlooked hidden cost)... and perform their best in larger rooms...a pair of older PSB golds would be very nice...and well under budget...
Something like this?
PSB makes very good speakers. The Image T6 at that price makes sense to me. You can always consider a sub later.
You seem to know what you like and don't like, so I'd highly recommend getting out and hearing more speakers. Once you have a broader frame of reference it will make it much more likely you'll find "The One." And it's fun.

That said, in case it wasn't mentioned earlier, I'll throw out the Silverline Preludes as a good option to audition if you can. Their Minuet monitors would also be good and are well below your budget new, but you may find yourself searching for a sub a little earlier. Best of luck and congrats on the new place.
One of the best "sleeper" used speakers on the market...I have these in a 2 channel system...

Considering the size of your room, I recommend the Tekton Lore. The Marantz receiver should drive this speaker extremely well, and create a very wide dynamic range due to its high sensitivity.
part of the fun is to go out and listen to as many pr of speakers as you can. Talk is cheap, people that recommend Tekton, I doubt that they've even seen a pr of Tekton in person, nevermind even listen to a pair. I've never heard of Tekton until few weeks ago in another forum due to issues with the owner, and delay with orders, so you might as well avoid them.