Serious Passive Preamp question


I have a Audio Research LS7 Line stage preamp and someone wants to trade me my AR LS7 for a serious passive preamp
Is anyone familiar with this company ?... I was told it retails for $2200.
 My  Amps are Class D wyred 4 sound mono blocks.
Opinions please.
rocky1313
I am a huge fan of passive preamps but in this case I feel you would be best served not to make that trade, and I am not a big fan of Audio Research equipment. I am assuming by the price you mentioned that this is the Serious Stereo series type model (not the ladder type), but regardless both are pretty far down my list of passive preamps that I have listened to over the years. I would say based on a cursory look at the specs for your amp a passive preamp would match up nicely (you do have to consider the source in the equation as well) and you should consider trying one, just not  this one.
I went passive recently, but held on to my preamp until I was sure I was happy with the passive. Passive is not for everybody. IMO, I do not think it wise to do the trade. Enjoy ! MrD.
For a passive, I don't think that would be worth anywhere near $2200.  It's just a couple of stepped attenuators using larger "through hole" resistors.  It doesn't even have anything special, such as signal transformers like other exotic passive preamps.  Definitely not worth a trade for a LS7 linestage - you're, essentially, getting screwed on this trade if you do it.
If you really want to see what a passive does, try a Gold Point SA4 ($532), or an SA2X-I if you want balanced XLR passive ($616).   If you really want to go on the cheap, Shiit SYS for $49.
rocky1313


Even though passives are my game, I don’t believe ANY active preamp can better a "properly used" passive for transparency, dynamics, uncoloured sound and extension in both the highs and lows.

Saying that though your AR LS7 is "worth" far more to sell than any passive is (except for one) worth, regardless of which one.

The one I’m talking about is the $20k D’artZeel NHB-18NS as it also uses the same LED/LDR passive system as the one I make does.

Cheers George
I've seen active preamps beat a passive every time. Less coloration, better dynamic impact, more extension. Less sensitivity to interconnect cables.

A lot depends on the active line stage though. Some of them outright suck, and then passive sounds better so when that happens its a bad sign.
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 If you happen to own a system that necessitates an active linestage, then no, a passive will not do the job. However, I make sure any system I put together does not need one. If a source component or amplifier doesn't make the grade, I won't consider it. And I certainly am a fan of very high efficiency speakers that work well in this environment also.

If your system is passive friendly, an active preamp is only going to color the sound further.  Now if this coloration is pleasant to you, you are golden. But I am of the mind that you are fixing something upstream that you don't like.

Oz
Some months back I went passive, and found I was fortunate that my gear ( sources and amp ) were very passive capable. I had a tube pre and a ss pre, both of very high standards and recognized in the audio community for being excellent ( which I will not name ). I will tell you that in my situation, I can never go back to an active pre ( in this particular system. What I am hearing from my sources is less colored, more detailed, and truer to the recordings. I am getting plenty of dynamics ( a very important characteristic to my listening ), and greater PRaT.  Enjoy ! MrD. 
mrdecibel
Some months back I went passive, and found I was fortunate that my gear ( sources and amp ) were very passive capable. I had a tube pre and a ss pre, both of very high standards and recognized in the audio community for being excellent ( which I will not name ) ...
If you won't identify the equipment you've used, the value of your observations are greatly diminished. The reader has no context from which to evaluate your opinion. I've never understood those who post in a public forum, and then play "I've Got a Secret" with the details. What's the point?
While I suspect that in your system’s case an active pre is a better fit, the answer seems obvious to me: try it first! Why not swap for a few days and see what you think? VERY happy passive user here (high power tube monos, very high gain tube phono stage)
I'd never owned a passive preamp until the Schiit Freya came along...the passive option is interesting, but the tube stage has the gain my single ended amp needs. The output switching feature in this preamp seems most useful (to me anyway) as a way to see what the tubes are doing...
ozzy62
  If your system is passive friendly, an active preamp is only going to color the sound further.  Now if this coloration is pleasant to you, you are golden. But I am of the mind that you are fixing something upstream that you don't like.
+1 ozzy62
I don’t believe ANY active preamp can better a "properly used" passive for transparency, dynamics, uncoloured sound and extension in both the highs and lows. Unless you need to purposely colour the sound with the coloration's that all active preamps give.

Just read what  rob67  with friends and family said in a 4 way shootout in a very expensive hiend system, when comparing a passive pre to these three active preamps.
 
Audio Reasearch  Ref5se preamp
Pass Labs  X2.5  preamp 
Bryston BP20 preamp

https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/1623297

https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/1623299

Cheers George    
@mrdecibel ,
I would agree with @cleeds . What is your passive preamp? Mine is a TVC as shown in my system page. I am thinking of a active tube just to try out in my system.
I don’t believe ANY active preamp can better a "properly used" passive for transparency, dynamics, uncoloured sound and extension in both the highs and lows. Unless you need to purposely colour the sound with the coloration's that all active preamps give.

Just read what rob67  with friends and family said in a 4 way shootout in a very expensive hiend system, when comparing a passive pre to these three active preamps.
 
Audio Reasearch Ref5se preamp
Pass Labs  X2.5  preamp
Bryston BP20 preamp

I've seen a number of active preamps be wider bandwidth and more neutral than the ones on this very short list! All that is says when a passive can beat these is just that and nothing more.

A more meaningful list would have over 100 preamps, all pitched against what is considered one of the best passives, with the results agreed upon by a much larger cross section of audiophiles, in a variety of systems.



As I have said before, a passive preamp can be a tool, but it really depends on your source/DAC and your amplifier.  If you have a DAC that is very fast and solid-state sounding, I think a passive is not really the right tool as you need an active preamp in the middle to help smooth and shape those hard-edged waveforms.   If you have a full Class A or tube DAC/source, then a passive could work well.
I will not name the units, because I know and respect the manufacturers, and will not harm sales by them in any way. My justification and value of my opinions to any of you is unimportant to me. I am just stating the facts of what I am hearing. Enjoy ! MrD.
My Luminous Audio Axiom II, with Walker Mods, single ended, 3 in, 2 out, with remote, is wonderful. Enjoy ! MrD.