@ waxwaves, Hi, What is all the Taralabs cables on?,, Cheers. |
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@ waxwaves and Grey9hound, yall got mail on the other thread, the one versus the 0.8ex thread!cheers! |
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@ waxwaves, where did you go joe!, LOL! |
well, This leaves me my trusty friend!, whats up Grey9hound!, whats happening around the pool?, Eany chicks? |
@ grey9hound,, stick to the Taras! you have a good plan to follow with the taras,, as you can see, nobody that bought them had no regrets! cheers! |
@ grey9hound,what are you talking about?,waite a minute,I'm not that dumb!LOL!Ok,I will take a look,thanks grey9hound. |
@ grey9hound, Yep!, We are missing the Krell more than we ever thought!, withdrawls is an under statement! |
@ Grey9hound,Dude, We could drink bloody marys around the pool under the tiki hut bar!, Hell yeah!, what a paradise!I would be very envious of you if you put all that in at the pool!, cheers! |
Jmcgrogan2 is a seasoned audiophile,I would consider his recommendations for cables!and I do agree with mt10425,we need to know what you are working with to give you an accurate recommendation. cheers! |
@ grey9hound, Hi,How much money are you willing to spend on a used i/c,or a new i/c,and what length do you need?,the length matters other than making it to point to point,there is alot of cable brands out there that sound better shorter,and some sound better a little longer,answering these questions will enable me to clarify my reccomendations for you,now that I know the system you are working with,cheers! |
@ grey9hound,I reccomend The Taralabs air one used or if you buy new,the new version of this cable is called the air one EX,that they improved over the original cable that does sound better,however,I do agree with zd542,the cardas cable you have will need atleast 300 hours to break in!cheers! |
Hi grey9hound,there is a used pair of Taralabs air 1 cables on the audiogon for sale for $450.00 or make offer,This is a very good cable for the money!,better than the solo crystal oval!,they are occ copper with teflon dielectric,I would offer $400.00 and bring them home!,remember,the EX version is alot better!,for the money of this used one,Its a good deal! |
@ grey9hound, Hi,Im sorry you did not specify what you needed,RCa,XLR,I will keep looking for you,I would be patient if I were you,and don"t buy something you will regret!,If you can get the funds,I would get the Tara Air One Ex version and be done with it!,Its a great cable to experience that will make you want to explore more exspensive cables from tara,Tara will not give you the problems most cables do,For instance,Nordost vahalla is a fine cable!,If you run all vahalla to everything there will be a degradation in sound performance!the vahalla has to be used properally!are your screwed!,you will not experiance nothing like that with taralabs!,all there cables are shielded on top of that,no Im am not a dealer,just somebody that has experience with alot of cables out there,25 years! |
@ Tbg, those cables you described,, all the high fidelity cables, are at my top list to check out, congrats on your top tier cable of high fidelity!, report back here, and tell me all about them! cool! thanks TBG,, happy listening! |
@ grey9hound, As a matter a fact I have the Taralabs omega gold speaker cables on main system$24,000.00 a 8ft pair new!I use 6ft,well worth the price!,yes they make everything else sound subpar on my system!,they even sounded more real on my particular system than the nordost odin speaker cables!,the odin was a tiny bit faster with less vivid lifelike focus of the musicians in space,and the tara blew the doors off the odin with the bass and mid-range,and the clarity is about the same,the tara reveals more nuances period!,with dead silences between everything that is going on,to me,on my system,the tara was very real compaired to the nordost odin cable! |
@ jmcgrogan,we tried to steer him to a good cable like Taralabs! |
Hi grey9hound, there is a pair of older taralabs the one on the gon now for$1,200.00 speaker cables that would give you alot of happiness,I would offer him a $1,000.00 and be done,this cable is alot better than the cardas you have!,they are 5ft cables,at this point I would make that work!,for 6ft this cable is $3,400.00,I have this same speaker cable 6ft,and it would not leave my house for no less than 2,000.00,its that good!,its on my second system!,this would really give you a good sound for bass slam,etc...,they are 10 times better than the cardas!Go FOR IT! cheers! |
@ jmcgrogan2,Hi,My response to your 3-8-13 post would be that I want a little of that liquid sound,so I will use nos 6h30p-DR tubes and maybe nos 6c4p tubes in the power supply of the ayon player,interesting you know alot about tubes,I look forward to your opinions and recommendations,you have my respect.,happy listening! |
@ grey9hound,Hi,I know you might not be in the market for speaker cables,we can fix the bad sound of the i/c you just settled for,There is a steal on the audiogon right now!,A 5ft pair of Taralabs The one speaker cables,this is the original the one speaker cables,they only look alot different than the ones they make now,the seller is asking $1,200.00,,, I would make offer for $1,000.00,, man-oman, if you bought these speaker cables for your system,you would have extreme bass slam,these speaker cables are 10 times better than the cardas cables you have in every way possible!,I would not hesatate on this situation!,at that price they will be gone quick!,I have a pair of 6ft taralabs the one speaker cables that are but a couple of months old and I will tell you if I wanted to sell them they would not leave my house for nothing less than$2,000.00 period!these are $3,400.00 for 6ft pair new!,and $4,200.00 for 8ft new!,If you respect my opinions at all,this is a first class recommendation if there ever was one!GO FOR IT! cheers! |
@ jmcgrogan2,A pusher of a product is someone who makes money!,I on the other hand, make nothing! |
@ waxwaves,no I have not labled anybody,I was accused of being the pusher for Taralabs,LOL!,by jmcgrogan2,he did not mean anything about it,he was tring to tell me to let grey9hound enjoy what ever he decides to get for cables,I was letting him know that I make no money for reccomendations,LOL!cheers! |
@ jmcgrogan2,Hi,My response to your 3-8-13 post would be that I want a little of that liquid sound,so I will use nos 6h30p-DR tubes and maybe nos 6c4p tubes in the power supply of the ayon player,interesting you know alot about tubes,I look forward to your opinions and recommendations,you have my respect.,happy listening! |
@ grey9hound,Hi,are you tring to improve the sound of a pair of bi-ampable speakers?,I know you said bass,thats not the question,bass will come with my two cents worth,run the speaker set-up by me again to clarify my thoughts,cheers! |
@ grey9hound, you did not offend me with the repost I posted on another thread,I am flattered,and feel you gave me alot of respect,thankyou very much,It is a true story that happened at progressive audio in 1997,before they sold the store to a new owner,back then they had a licensed room with thousands of dollars of sound room treatment and the system was avalon edilon speakers,mit cables,spectral equipment thru out,the very best of these brands,hell,after I did that test,I went down stairs and grabbed a Krell fpb 600 stereo amp and took off the mit cables and put taralabs the one cables on that system and it sounded way better than before,so good,we turned the volume up and blew the mid-range driver in one of the avalon speakers,I was horrified!the speakers at the time were $25,000.00 and I did not have the money to fix them!,avalon is located in colorado,I was there in columbus,ohio for a week,I drove from mobile,alabama,,the next day flipped me out!avalon flew in on a private plane and fixed the avalons in front of me!,at the store,they explained it was the only licensed room in the country at the time,and the store was not suppose to allow me to change out componets or cables!,the reason the store allowed me to do what I did was I had a great relationship with the dealer and the store,after that I bought a krell fpb 200 stereo amp!,and been useing krell amps ever since!,I now have the krell 700cx stereo amp that I love!,A toast to all,cheers! |
@ jmcgrogan2, I am a tube lover myself,I am waiting for a Ayon cd-2s digital player that has 4 6h30 tubes,I wanted to try out Ayon,and If I like the sound of this player,it will land on my second system,I will get the Ayon cd-5s that has a real analogue pre-amp in side of it,this will keep cable cost down,since I can only aford one Taralabs zero gold 1-meter I/c,I love the realistic presatation of tubes,but love the accurate sound signature of a good solid state amp,to me,tubes and solid state combo is awsome!,I also love the full sound of Krell amps,I guess I like deep defined accurate bass with a sound stage to die for with the tube combo.happy listening! |
@ jmcgrogan2,I had to add that I love vinyl as well,It seems that I got myself into such high cost of cables, that I can only run a cd-player direct to amp,as I said,If I like the sound of Ayon 2s, I will get the 5s,then I can work toward vinyl,since the 5s has a real analogue pre, versus a very well made,one of the best digital volume controls out there, very close to an analogue pre-amp volume control 2s,the 5s has all the pre-amp connections to make vinyl possible,I plan to modify the hell out of the 2s thou,from the a/c cord, to changeing the stock tubes, to changeing all the stock fuses,to changeing out the a/c cord iec connection on the player its self to a furtech,maybe some tube resonators,I do not know about that decision yet,there is drawbacks to that scenerio.cheers! |
@ jmcgrogan2,again, If the componet does not sound very real with the cables I have that componet is history, thats why I am doing The Ayon 2s player first,Its better to make A $6,350.00 mistake versus a $12,500 mistake,thou up-on research,none of this should result in a mistake,as I said before,I make damm sure the possibility that the player will sound good before I purchase it,with crazy obsessive research and user feedbacks of the componet in question.cheers! |
@ jmcgrogan2,I have already thought about what you just posted about the tubes,My answer would be 6h30p-DR and 6c4p in the power supply,I would still gain the dynamics you described,I will also benefit more transparency than the stock tubes and gain the liquid sound you mentioned,the krell 700cx alone to me has some of the best sounding mid-range I have heard from solid state,the dr-tubes will be pre 1986 Russian tubes of course,I'm told the earlier tubes are made to military specs and sound way better than 2013 tubes,very exspensive,I suppose you get what you pay for!,interesting,you seem to know alot about tubes!,I will look forward to your opinions and recommendations,you have my respect!cheers! |
Hi grey9hound,I am confused?,you have bi-amp speakers,I see you are asking about interconnects,why?,unless I am wrong,I have never heard of useing i/c on speakers with the exception of sub-woofers that require an i/c,if you can clarify my confusion I may put my two cents worth in.cheers! |
@ dave_b,I believe you are talking about tubes,I agree!the nos 6h30p-Dr supper tubes is exactly what I am talking about,man-o-man,,you said super or better,ok,tell me what is better,I was not aware of that tube!,thankyou,I welcome all knowledge of audio,no one knows it all!,defiantly not me!cheers! |
@ dave_b,I believe you are talking about tubes,I agree!the nos 6h30p-Dr supper tubes is exactly what I am talking about,man-o-man,,you said super or better,ok,tell me what is better,I was not aware of that tube!,thankyou,I welcome all knowledge of audio,no one knows it all!,defiantly not me!cheers! |
@ grey9hound,are you useing one amp with 4 speaker outputs for bi-amping,or two amps? |
Hi Grey9hound, I know there is opinions out there,I will base mine on facts!,1.I have bi-amp speakers my self,2.I use to run two sets of cables,3.I use jumper cables that are directional,they have arrow signs to show the way to use the cables for the signal,4.speaker cables are larger in diameter on the most part,5.jumpers need to have a fair size diameter around themselfs,6.all speaker cables for bi-amping need to run to the bottom post,thats most likely where the main connection is for the cross-over inside the speakers,7.most bi-amp speakers come with a little cheap plate of some sorts to connect all 4 binding post of the speakers to get all the drivers to work,8.a signal looses its intergrity the further it has to travel!even inside componets!,9.based on the last previous fact,It makes since that a quality jumper that is 8" to 10" will loose less signal purity!10.never use a cable that is one cable with 4 cable ends!,for example,a nordost vahalla regular speaker cable that is made for two inputs of course, has two ends with all of its conductors,when nordost makes a bi-amp speaker cable,they do not double the conductors!,most cable brands do not!mmmm,why?the cable would be twice the price on the most part!,and most of the science of the cables inductace and capcitence would be out the window!,in other words,the cable was not designed that way to begin with!,11.It makes good scientific since to run jumpers,they do not need to be the same in diameter around as the speaker cables do!,since they are a whole lot shorter and loose alot less signal intergrity and you are not splitting the mass of the conductors versus bi-amping cables..fially 12.jumpers sound even better than running 4 complete seperate speaker cables as well!,,now!,I do not want to sound like a Taralabs cable pusher,I am a consumer,you can buy what ever brand you want,unfortunally they will not have the same sound!,,I have the Taralabs omega gold speaker cables that are crazy exspensive,are out of reach for most audiophiles!,the Taralabs omega jumpers I have are only $800.00 10" and come with bannanas and spades,In the reach of most audiophiles!,I even put them with the speaker cable called the one,to see what that sounded like recently!,these jumpers are not on the tara web site,call tara and ask for devon,and tell him keith henry, down in mobile,ala told you to call,tell him to get the omega jumpers made and sent to your addresse,,the conductors are wound in a helix configeration the same as the omega speaker cables themselfs with air tubes inside like the omega series cables have,only the omega speaker cables are made this way,the rest of the tara line up is not!now thats if you want them!now for the bomb!,these tara omega jumpers are the most profound improvement to bi-amp speakers I have ever heard!I have listened to alot of other jumpers,not remotely close in transparency or in eany other way possible!,,man-o-man,to tell you the truth,honestly,I would scrap the fricken cardas cables,and use tara the one speaker cables on the bottom speaker post and run the omega jumpers signal from bottom to the top post!I will literally Kiss your axx if you do not believe this is the best sound for the money,I would even get the jumper and use it with the cardas untill you get the tara the one speaker cables,,the tara set-up I am recommending the one speaker cables,the omega jumper cables,is fricken to die for!If you want such a realistic sound that it becomes emotional and tears fly about,this is it!,you also will have bass debpth and incredible slam!,you will have happy listening,cheers! |
@ Grey9hound, Hey, If you like this cable you are getting, are you going to try and get another pair, so you will have the total Tara sound for your rig??,,May be hard to get another 10' pair used, I would put the 10' on the woofers, and a 8' on the top!,, cheers! |
@ Tls49 Hi,Thankyou for agreeing that jumpers sound better than bi-amping cables,another major reason I failed to admit to all here,Is the fact I cannot afford another pair of Taralabs omega gold speaker cables as well,for bi-amping?LOL! I do not think so, even if I had the money!,$24,000.00 a 8'ft pair retail!,like I said, you do not need another whole cable,jumpers,if you get a really good one is good enough for sound and the wallet!,grey9hound,something does not seem right?,gee,what are the specifications of the speakers you are useing?,if you have the jumpers turned the wrong way,what you described for sound useing the jumpers is what happens,I turned my jumpers around,LOL!,the wife come running in the audio room,she said,what happened!,the sound difference was really obvious!,and what brand and model of jumpers were you useing?,I had the oppisite effect!,useing the jumpers versus bi-amping speaker cables the sound with the jumpers yielded a better sound in every way possible,useing directional jumpers matter alot!,grey9hound,I like you,I hope I can help!cheers! |
@ grey9hound,I understand what bi-amping is,At this point,like I said,what are your speakers and the specifications?,120 watts per channel should have no problem with a 8ohm speaker,unless the sensitivity of the said speaker is very low!this matters!,tell me what speakers you have and the model and I will do my own research to help you ,if you want my help?cheers! |
Hi Grey9hound,another gentleman in another thread has me being his cable broker LOL!,so I will be yours too,The very wise jmcgrogan2 brought to my attention xlr to rca adapters,there are some well made gold plated adapters in the i/c section of the gon for $30.00!,then at the same time this is your golden chance to be in the tara family,the air 1 series 2 1.5 meters i/c for $480.00, a deal!these are $1,700.00 new!,then there is another air 1 series 2 on the gon for $650.00,if you can find the means you better jump on the awsome deal of $480.00,the i/c called the one is 2 times better than the air 1!,but I believe it is alot better than most cables costing the same retail vs retail!,this air 1 would blow the doors off the analysis plus cable you are not happy with!remember, 300 hrs of break-in before you make your evaluations of this cable!,grey9hound,this is a great opportunity to save alot of money and get some decent bass and slam you are seeking!goodluck on buying this cable,with the adapters,I would! cheers! |
@ Grey9hound,dude!,those are some pretty good speakers!,92 sensetivity! 6ohms!,man-o-man!it is defiantly not the speakers that are the problem!,you need to know what two speaker post are the primary two of the four,you could not have had directional jumpers!on most bi-amp speakers,the post that drive the woofers are the bottom primary post,then you turn the signal going from there, directing to the top post,if they drive the mids and highs,with directional jumpers,if the top post drive the woofers?,reverse the whole scenerio.there is no way that directional jumpers will not work!If I were there i would fix till it was fixed!,LOL!the post that drive the woofers should be the primary post.,you should of heard my system when I turned the jumpers the wrong way!screwed!the sound was terrible,like the description you gave with the way you used the jumpers,or they were not quality jumpers!,oh,jumpers take as long to break-in as speaker cables,mmmmyep!300 hrs should do!cheers! |
@ jmcgrgan2,I agee!,great that you are helping to look out for grey9hound,thankyou,hope he does one of these cables!it would give him what he is looking for with sound!,taralabs the 2 is better than the taralabs air 1 series 2.,jmcgrogan2 has some great advice here,grey9hound.cheers! |
I heard good feedback on the kcI silk worm + cables!,I would like to know what KCI stands for? Cheers! |
@ waxwaves,good to see you are still around,after your cable does 300 hrs of burn-in,I want to know your thoughts on the sound here on this thread,I believe grey9hound does too,cheers! |
Thanks grey9hound for posting the last,I was very currious to know the outcome!cheers! |
@ waxwaves,In my experience,putting a good i/c between the pre-amp and amp yields the best sound,I would experiment between the both if I were you,you may like the i/c between the source and pre-amp better?congradulations waxwaves on buying your cable,you already have the patience to know 300 hrs of break-in on eany cable used or new before evaluating them!,the answer to your question,will this tara model blow the doors off that particular analysis plus,well based on the feedback on this thread,yes,why?,you will not have a forward sound!caution!you need to know that this particular model tara will not have the resolution as the model called the 2 and models on up from there of the tara familly,I will tell you it is a fine cable at its full retail price compaired to alot of other brands and models at the same price point!,the good thing here is that the cable you bought like all taras will not be analitical sounding at all!,your particular model will be warm sounding with a round defined bass sound with exceptional body to boot!,and forgiving to brightness in a system.welcome to tara waxwaves,for the money of the model you bought I believe you will have no regrets for its pricepoint!cheers! |
@grey9hound,I am sorry,I was only tring to help,I believe you may be correct,the amp may be the problem,I will tell you it is not the power per channel you have!your speakers are 6oms and most likely dip to 5 or 4and a half oms while playing,my speakers that are 6 oms will dip to 4 oms at times!check and see if the amp is designed for impedences such as the specs I am talking about,there is alot of high priced amps out there that will not drive speakers with low impedences,one way to check is to see if your amp doubles in power from 8oms load to 4 oms load,give me the answer if you do not mind,thanyou grey9hound,cheers! |
@ waxwaves,I had the cables I believe you bought on watch,so I could keep up with them,If grey9hound wanted to buy them,waxwaves,you got a awsome,hell of a deal!,way to go!very much cheers! |
gentlemen,did eany of you see the legendary quad ESL63 electrostatic speakers on sale on the gon?these are some great speakers from the good ole golden age of audio that would compete very well against alot of the over priced,over hyped speakers they sell nowdays!cheers! |
@ waxwaves,where are you?you have comments on whats been said about your cable or eany thing here?cheers! |
@ grey9hound,wow!,I am lost for words!This is a odd situation!,please let me know so I can learn from you when you figure out the problem!I do not believe I can from here!Jmcgrogan2,can you give some advice here?cheers! |
