Speaker height...should known better


The other day I was listening to my system sitting down on my chair on my computer when all of sudden I had lower my head to glimpse a song on my screen when I realize, wait this sound much better. I have only lowered my head a few inches or 3 and all of sudden the music sounded way better. So much better to a point where it sounded coherent, phase timed and much more dynamic. I thought for a long time I have placed my Triangle BR03 tweeter at ear level. From the perception view from the listening position I would if thought it was at ear level. I was wrong. Currently my ears level is 3 inches above the tweeter(about the top of the cabinet). When I bought the speakers stands a few years ago, I got them new for my other speakers that were smaller. The current height on the stands are 28". I think what need now are at least 31". No wonder my measurements had a gradual roll off of the high end at around 8k at a couple of speakers I had. Now I am planning on getting higher stands to hear the difference.
highend64

high end 64 

So how does your system sound...would take a few and describe to us.

Thank you

Depends on the speaker brand.

My Monitor Audio Silver 300s sound best when tweeters are below ear height.

My Vandersteen 2Ci Signatures sound best when tweeters are at ear height.

My B&W 803 D3 sound best when tweeters are above ear height.

This very process, of moving speakers around and listening, is a true "recording studio engineer" task.  It is what engineers do in studios when they are setting up. 

Today engineers work in many different rooms and MUST get consistent results.  They must work where the work is, so this idea of an engineer always working in the same studio is rare.  This makes learning how to set up in different spaces and moving speakers (or microphones)  around a key skill. 

I just had dinner with an engineer who used to be the house second engineer at Capitol and he mentioned about 10 different studios he’s worked in since Capitol closed.   He is expected to produce the same level of work he did while at Capitol (with those wonderful rooms) so listening and understanding how spaces sound is a HUGE skill that these engineers must develop. 

Brad

 

 

 

I’ve raised my Joseph audio perspective 2 speakers up higher since I bought them.

They are only 36 inches high , significantly shorter than my other Thiel 2.7 (and previous 3.7) speakers.   I never felt that the sound stage was shortened or too low per se.  But a while back when I went down a rabbit hole, trying all sorts of isolation or coupling of the loudspeakers with regards to the carpeted wood floor, they sit on, I tried all sorts of platforms and footers.  When I was seeking most of all was tightening up the bass and achieving great tone in the speakers.  But what I also found how much I liked the sound stage when the speakers were raised up higher.  It became more expansive and developing and real sounding.

So I tried to balance that with getting the tone I wanted.

The Joseph speakers are actually designed to sound best with ears somewhat below the height of the tweeter, and that’s the reason they come angled slightly backwards on their outriggers.  But even saying that they have really excellent vertical dispersion so there’s a fair amount to play with there.

Ultimately, I ended up making a marble base, which sit on hockey pucks and spikes into the floor, and the speakers are raised further by iso acoustic Gaia footers, and hockey pucks at the front outriggers.

This means they’re raised about 6 inches off the floor.

It sounds absolutely glorious:  tight, rich bass, super grain free clarity and beauty of tone, and the sound stage feels “ unlimited” in its size with plenty of recordings.

Some photos:

https://i.postimg.cc/fbZCgfNV/IMG-2401.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/yYN5Yw59/IMG-4289.jpg
 

https://i.postimg.cc/HnBN1TFF/IMG-3862.webp

 

@highend64 

did you change your head position when you lowered it (lean forward)?  weird but the angle of our ears make a difference.  

I am surprised that on axis sounds better with Triangle speakers- the wave guide makes them overly bright on axis the times I have heard them.