Place a straight edge across your platter and see for yourself. I know that the Classic platter has a recess for the label.
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It's the gasket that is causing your problem. The gasket is
for use with the center clamp only. It's only useful if you
don't have the outer ring clamp. If you screw down the center
clamp enough, with the gasket underneath, it will flatten out
the record. If you screw it down too much it will dish up at
the edge. If you have an outer ring clamp, and a center
weight you should not use the center gasket.
Okay. That is odd. Instead of an inner label recession, the platter has ~ 0.5 mm uniform center label rise.
It then appears VPI missed a QC check in the milling department. Coming up on 30 days of purchase. Hope this is not going to become an issue.
FWIW: love the TT! And thanks for the feedback. I'll update progress.
Hey guys, spoke with Jack at VPI - fun dude.
I am a bit embarrassed here as Jack said the platters [now] have a rise in the center and the TT comes with a rubber mat that absolutely must be used.
I clarified that the VPI manual recommends no mat sounds best. He stated that the manual had not been updated and not using the mat will create an uneven playing surface.
After I hung up, it occurred to me that I never asked why the change? I have zero complaints with the sound, but the clamp does not flatten several warped disc. Not sure if I want to commit to the periphery ring, but looks like it may be in the future budget?
Ditto on the thanks for that update Apb689. What you report indicates a 180 degree change in VPI practice re the use of mats. I have an early Classic which has a flat platter and smooth sides. At that time, the mantra was using the table sans mat sounded best. Oh well.
Wonder why we didn't hear from Stringreen by now?? :)
Wow. That seems like a poor decision on VPI's part. IME rubber mats suck. It makes no sense to raise the middle section so you have to use their rubber mat. Now if you want to use an aftermarket mat, it has to go on top of the rubber one. Or if you like the sound better directly on the aluminum platter, that is not even an option now.
That's strange. When I had my Classic 1 with the previous aluminum platter, the VPI outer ring worked pretty well on warps. I'm not sure why the new platter with the rubber donut would be different. How tall is the donut? Maybe it needs a little more height so the label recesses more? How heavy is the ring clamp? Are you using the center clamp or weight as well? The VPI ring clamp I had was a good 4 pounds and flattened most records pretty well.
Agree with Sarcher30. This new direction in platter design seems curious indeed. Well, I'm standing pat with my basic Classic platter. I think using the center spindle clamp and outer ring clamp do a fine job and I'm just enjoying the music.
Just picked up some Jerry Lee Lewis LPs. Wow ... that Southern Boy knew how to rock. Love the New Orleans accent too.
BRF: who did you talk with at VPI?
Hello, has VPI redesigned their Classic platter? I read on a forum that the new Classic platter has a slightly raised centre and is meant to be used with a mat. Any details would be appreciated.
It is the opposite, the center is depressed. You can place the record directly on the platter or use a mat.
Interesting, 2 different answers from the same person. In his response to
me he indicated that the Classic platter has not changed, which would
indicate a recessed label. Could it be that he is answering your question
with the assumption that centre washer is being utilized in addition to a
screw down clamp? Having a raised centre does not make any sense.
Here is Jack's email confirmation.
On Jan 20, 2014, at 10:35 AM, VPI Sales
That is correct.
To: VPI Sales
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Classic Platter
Thanks Jack, so there has been no change to the Classic platter as mine
has the label recess and is completely flat.
From: VPI Sales
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 07:00:19 -0800 (PST)
ReplyTo: VPI Sales
Subject: Re: Classic Platter
It is the opposite, the center is depressed. You can place the record directly
on the platter or use a mat.
To: "[email protected]"
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:53 AM
Subject: Classic Platter
Hello, has VPI redesigned their Classic platter? I read on a forum that the
new Classic platter has a slightly raised centre and is meant to be used
with a mat.
Any details would be appreciated.
Yeah, I understood, I was not serious there either prince, the platter is properly installed :-)
BRF: I am not talking about the washer. From the center spindle is about 5 cm radius (label) which is raised about 1 mm above the rest of the outer platter. With the washer, the center (label) is raised about 3mm above the outer outer platter. I felt pretty confident after talking with Jack at VPI that this is correct, but now, I've got no idea.
Guess I will have to put on a new copy of Miles and Monk at Newport (mono!), open a cold beer, and think about this one some more.
Hi all, I just bought a scout 1.1, it indeed has a raised center portion which is roughly label size. It is intended to be used with the included rubber mat according to my conversations with VPI. I have a relatively inexpensive cork mat with a label recess installed upside down on the platter and it sounds great. I just hated that rubber mat getting static filled and then sticking to the record when removed. From my understanding the classic platter, a future upgrade? is intended to be used mat less and has a milled out portion for the label. I intend to do some critical listening comparisons between the stock and cork mat but have been having too much fun listening to records so far to bother. I will update when I do.
Bif....lets see now.... if indeed there is a change to having the spindle area raised, that would mean that with the outer ring and center weight applied, there would be greater tension on the record...more downward force. ..may be a good idea. I suppose if its a gradual slope, and the record plays well, its fine. If its more than a gradual slope, and that azimuth is affected, I would question it. I find that proper azimuth makes a marked difference for the better. Isn't splitting the proverbial hair fun? I would guess that the sound isn't much different..like the black wrap, or the change from a 9 inch to 10.5 inch arm.
I have the new Classic Ceramic coated platter. It does indeed have a shallow label sized indentation on it. The platter is totally flat, except for this depression.
I have found that the rubber mat does nothing for the sound. I use the one piece clamp, but found that it does not work properly with the mat. Without the mat the record edge tends to rise a bit when the clam is applied. Makes sense since the clamp is pushing the center of the record down into the shallow depression.
Best for me is to use the rubber washer and put the clamp on lightly (not too tight).
Mine is also the ceramic coated one....in case you're wondering, the ceramic coated and without the coating sounds the same, however, the ceramic coating eliminates the fingerprints and looks better. I don't use a washer, just the anti-static mat which sounds the same as the static one,..and use the periphery ring, and the center weight.
Brf: I have no idea what's going on. I spoke to Jack at VPI twice and he consulted with someone else there and stated the raised platter is correct. I also called a distributor who said they'd have another classic and the platter is raised.
I might try calling one more distributor and get a final confirmation. At this point, it seems like the platter is a matter of the draw?! If they confirm it is raised, I'm going to leave it. I'll update with any additional info...
So, this new table that does not come with a recess at the center of the platter, does it still then come with a threaded spindle, and a screw down clamp that is cupped on the underside?
If so, this then truly sounds like a hodge podge of an incorrect parts mix strewn together which are then not compatible with one another?