Synergistic New Tesla Line...Any comments?

Oz,
What benifits did you experience when you placed a Galileo MPC on your PowerCell? Like you I have a full Tesla system.

Thanks.

Tbg,
I went through several Tesla cables AFTER purchasing Accelerator IC's and SC's. My dealer gave me a 100% trade-in allowance toward Apex. I think SR also has a lifetime trade in program.

Has anyone had experience with the Acoustic ART System? In particular I am wondering if the system can be broken up while still retaining benefits. I am intrigued by this product as acoustics are the last frontier (for now) in my system.

Thanx

Thanx Tbg and Tedmbrady.

Yes I am wondering if I can start "small" and go big later. In this economy I can't afford to do all the things I took for granted just a few short months ago. Ted would you start with the Bass Station and perhaps a Satellite in placde of the Vibratron? If so which Satellite- Magnatron or Gravitron? My dealer suggests I go with a Gravitron and a Bass Station to start.

Adwiegert,
Any findings on the new Galileo MPC's?

Splashkin I called SR on Friday and had a long conversation with Ted regarding the new cables. It seems there is not only a new flagship SC but also a new IC as well. They employ electromagnetic cells at either end of the cables (think mini powercells made of silver and gold at the beginning and end of each cable) with four seperate cables running inbetween the cells. The cables or strings as he called them are either pure gold or silver with an air dialectric and active shielding. You can swap any combo of gold or silver strings to tailor the sound of the cable to match your system and personal taste. He also indicated the cables come with a full compliment of silver and gold strings standard.

When I asked the price he said the cables were "orders of magnitude" more expensive to manufacture then Apex and will carry a very high price tag- think new German M badged automobile. Yikes!

Flashunlock,
What are your experiences with the ART system? Does it really do everything some people claim? I am a big Tesla surporter but find this treatment too good to be true (small, effective, controll of low bass, etc) but that's also what I thought about cables and power cords.

Bacardi that would be a HUGE upgrade. The Per Ref is a stase-of-the-art IC for use between pre and power amp or in warm ballance systems.

I would call SR to get their input.

Dave I guess you don't love MIT any longer? Based on your MIT preference and my experience with network cables, I doubt we share common taste in sound, but you never know :)

PTM,
My entire system is connected with Active Tesla cables all are powered with MPC's pluged into a QLS 9 with a T3 on the QLS. The difference w and wo Active Shielding turned on is like night and day.

Solda,
What SR cables would you be putting that Galileo MPC on?

BTW I've got an Acoustic ART Basik on order. It should be here by this weekend.

Here's a link to the new Synergistic Galileo cables and how they transformed the Vivid speakers from sounding not that great at CES with Odin cables to one of the best sounds at RMAF with SR Galileo. Interesting first outing for SR.

http://www.avguide.com/blog/rmaf-report-speakers-over-20k#comment-18632

Dave_b,
So which SR cables did you try? Where? Which model(s)? Specifically between which components? How long did you leave them in before passing judgment? I doubt seriously you removed your MIT entirely or that you followed SR's placement guidelines for individual cable models. If all you did was place a few SR Tesla cables haphazard in an overwhelmingly MIT cabled system you have no idea what SR Tesla cables sound like. As to them sounding overly "smooth" you seem to have changed your mind from when you implied they were bright compared to Morrow cables (which you said you liked and that the SR cables sounded similar). I guess it must be the day : )

Synergistic is all about cable system matching. I went over it with Ted at SR and my dealer who sent me a complete set to audition in my system. He later sent me a different power cord for my CD player and interconnects between CD and pre. When the process was complete I had the most realistic three-dimensional sound I have ever heard. I did not make my selection based on which cable company had the slickest web site (if I had I would NOT have bought SR) or the trendiest materials- though SR has a LOT of info regarding cable geometries and materials on their site.

BTW what's in all those MIT boxes in your system? : )

Dave_b,
You change cables the way some people change sox. I was once like you- looking for the perfect cable or component that could end my restless audio pursuit. I realized it's all about set up and finding cables and components that work well together (synergy). The SR Tesla cables are the first cables that have worked well enough that I stop (for the most part) thinking about how my system sounds and spend more time looking for great recordings.

I notice that you have an on again, off again love affair with MIT so I'll make you a bet- in six months you'll most likely be back with MIT so you may want to hold on to your uber expensive MIT power cords as you'll only have to purchase them back : )

Adwiegert how is the Galileo MPC coming? How about the Acoustic ART Basik?

Guess what UPS just droped off? Three new Galileo MPC's! I am going to let them run in for a few days and report back.

Any ideas where to start? (which cables to power first?)

Solda I am going to try the following Galileo MPC placement combinations:

1. Galileo MPC on my PowerCell 10SE /Precision AC, Apex IC, Apex SC.
2. Galileo MPCs on Apex IC and SC and Precision Reference IC.
3. Galileo MPC on PowerCell and all other Tesla PC's in my system.

Adwiegert,
The PowerCell comes with its own MPC- to power both the PowerCell and its powercord (assuming you get a PowerCell 10SE otherwise the MPC is for the PowerCell only as the PowerCell 6 comes with a stock cheapie powercord). I can't wait to see what a Galileo MPC does over a stock MPC when powering my PowerCell 10SE. This should be fun :)

Tbg,
Here here. This thread has been going strong for nearly three years now. I too have tried cables across a wide spectrum and none have been anything like Tesla- and that goes for Daves old love MIT.

I am putting together a system for my brother so perhaps I'll have a shoot out. You never know but I doubt a passive cable can match SR,'s Active shielding.

I'll do that. So the Morrow blew away MIT MA and Transparent Reference huh? So does Tesla at the Accelerator / Acoustic level depending on the system- in fact the Apex level cables were much better then the Transparent Opus MM in my reference system so your new fav flav has some serious competition.

Voodoo as opposed to? Like what exactly? The first mega power cord success- The Synergistic AC Master Coupler? The first active cables back in the late 90’s? X Series? X2? Synergistic Research has NEVER been like other cable companies, never, ever. When other companies trot out more expensive versions of the same design or cable geometry with bigger and better, or more expensive materials as the dividing line, SR stresses system compatibility and careful cable system matching. They have never to my knowledge posted measurements, detailed geometries, or sold the line that their most expensive cables are best for all systems. They have always stressed synergy and matching their cables to your system before making up your mind.

The problem with taking the stance that SR cables or technologies are hokus pokus is the fact it flies in the face of the facts. Simply put their different cables and technologies are demonstrable. Take Active Shielding for example. Listen to a system cabled with Active Synergistic Research cables and then turn off the Active Shielding- do you hear a difference? Now listen to that same system but this time with the new Galileo MPC’s. Again do you hear a difference? Try comparing their old X Series or X2 cables to the new Tesla Series, do you hear a difference? Which cable do you prefer? Which is the better value? Compare the Accelerator to their previous top of the line Designers Reference and Absolute Reference; when was the last time a cable manufacturer released a new line of cables that out performed their old line of cables, at half the cost? Quantum Tunneling a myth? Really? Listen to their rather plain looking Teslaplex and tell me Quantum Tunneling is not a revelation. Now compare the Teslaplex to much more expensive audio jewelry duplexes on the market, which duplex do you prefer? Which has the bigger soundstage? Which is more transparent? More dynamic? The fact you can compare any SR product to any product you may consider BEFORE you buy allows you to make up your mind based on what sounds best to YOU and this speaks volumes.

How about system-cable matching? Have you ever compared an Acoustic Reference IC to an Accelerator IC between your CD player and pre-amp? Did they sound alike? Which would you prefer in a system that has a warmer balance? Which would you prefer in a system that has a leaner balance? Would your choice be based on the interconnect that has the most expensive price tag or would it be based on which cable sounds best to you, in your system? How about power cords? Does the most expensive Tesla power cord automatically sound best when run throughout a system, or do you match different Tesla power cords that complement your different components? How many cable companies (other then Synergistic) routinely try and talk you OUT of buying their most expensive models?

I have had many, many different systems over the years cabled by an even wider array of cables. All have been different- tubes, solid-state, class A, class AB, class D, analogue, digital, single-ended, balanced, you name it and I’ve tried/owned it and I’ve cabled them with as many different types of cables from as many different manufacturers. All have allowed me to experience music in different ways, some showing me one part of a recording, say inner detail and air, while others illuminated warmth with rich harmonic structure. Some grabbed my attention with earth shattering dynamics while others seduced me with subtle, before hidden detail and nuance. The problem is I have always wanted to have it ALL. Inner detail, dynamics, precise imaging, massive soundstages, black backgrounds, air, layering and on. So I would build one system, fall in love for a time and then be tempted when I caught a whiff of another with a new charm that my then current system failed to deliver. All this changed when I went with SR Tesla cables; I’d had their X Series in the past and they were very good in some respects but lacking in others so I went elsewhere until I tried Tesla. The more Tesla cables I added to my system, the closer I got to my ideal- the absolute sound I had been striving for. Then as I added Tesla power cords. The picture came into clearer and more vivid focus until every last cable in my system was Active Tesla. I later added a PowerCell 10SE and this was as big a revelation as my original journey to the Tesla series cables had been in the first place. Now I’m experimenting with their new Galileo MPC’s and the Teslaplex and my system continues to improve.

For me Synergistic Research has been the end of one road, and the beginning of a new appreciation and love for music. Judging from the size and scope of this tread I’d say I’m not alone.

I saw that (Enigma). My guess is that he's selling it for Galileo MPC's.

The DC plugs are also Gold plated and have a slightly warmer and richer balance compared to the old nickel plated mini-plugs. I find the new plugs sound more relaxed and work much better.

Regarding the digital D2 and 3, why not try them in your system? I went 100% Tesla in stages and at each step along the way I could not imagine my system soundIng any better then it did at that time.

Frankk,
I had Designers Reference X2 years ago and liked the interconnects but had issues with the forward mid-range and mid-bass hump. They were very holographic (though not as holographic as the Tesla's). Also the highs had a slight "grain" and were not as airy or as extended in the highs as any of the Tesla cables I have used in my system. Like so many people here I fell back into the SR line with Tesla Accelerators and later upgraded to the ultra high end combo of Apex / Precision Reference / Apex (my dealer gave me a 100% trade-in allowance toward the Apex / Precision Reference combo so it was a no brainer).

When the Accelerators where in my system I did not notice the forward mid-range, mid-bass hump, or the grainy highs I had with my old Designers Reference IC's. They did everything I liked about the old active cables with far more finesse and transparency. Unless your system is on the bright side (metal dome tweeters and "bargain" digital components, I can't see going wrong with a full complement of Accelerators.

Dlcockrum,
When you were listening to the Accelerators did you also have AQ cables in your system? From your post it seems you had a combo of AQ and Accelerators and later went all (upper end) Tesla? In my system the existence of cables from other manufacturers had a bearing on my perception of the Accelerators. They worked well enough that I bought two pairs, but I was still dealing with the same trade offs I had always believed to be a part of this hobby. It was not until I went 100% Tesla that I came to realize just how good the Tesla cables can be, and just how incorrect those assumptions are.

Tbg,
The synergy thing does not appear to be cut and dried however I can’t imagine the Hologram D not being the best choice for digital- perhaps the CD player is still breaking in?

I am still surprised by the transformation 4 Galileo MPC’s brought to my system. The highs definitely sound sweeter with more air. In fact the whole system sounds more “relaxed”. I'd say the sound is more correct if that makes any sence. I am more then just a little surprised by the improvement in dynamics and over all sound staging. Has anyone gone 100% Galilleo MPC yet? So far I’ve got them on a PowerCell SE and it’s power cord, Apex IC, P.R. IC, and Apex speaker cable. I’ve yet to experiment with them on the rest of my systems power cords. Last night I reconnected the original MPC's and after one song quickly went back to the Galileo's. I can't bealive that was what I had been listening to so I am curious to try more (God help me:)

Scottmac62,
The difference between the D3 and D2 are much like the differences between a Hologram D and Precision Reference power cords with the D3 having the spooky huge soundstage of the Hologram D and the D2 sounding more pin-point and immediate much like the Precision Reference.

You really should listen to both cables in your system.

Anyone here going to CES? Any pre show intel on Galileo?

The T3 UHC is a 10 gauge version of the standard T3. If you do not need the extra gauge of the T3 UHC, I think a standard T3 sounds best but if you need the extra current the UHC is your best bet. The T3 UHC was invented as a lower cost option for the PowerCell.

Adwiegert,
When I played around with the T3 and T3 uhc both had 15 amp IEC's.

Mehrakrishan- what do you mean:

"i am planning to install teslaplex in my dedicated power line for my tube amp and CD player with audience aR2p conditioner with QLS6 strip what audiogoners can recommend"

Are you asking for advice on power cords, the QLS6, line conditioners, the Teslaplex? I am sure we would love to help but I can't make heads or tails out of your last message. Sorry.

Joeyboynj,
You may be right about the gauge of the T3's being greater then 10 however 20 amp in wall wiring is usually 10 gauge so I am not certain why or how going greater than 10 gauge in a power cord helps current delivery? Perhaps the heavier gauge T3 UHC just sounds better under high current demand compared to a standard T3?

"Anyone here going to CES? Any pre show intel on Galileo?"

Did anyone see/ hear SR's next technology? If so what did you see and hear? So far I've yet to see any show reports on SR in forums or the MSM (Stereophile and their ilk)

Max,
No I have not heard them yet but you did say that you were going to CES-did you get a chance to listen to the Galileo cables / system? If so what did you hear? Did you catch the demo where SR removed their new footers from underneath components?

Ozzy,
Hope springs eternal but yea, I'm not holding my breath either.

I was visiting the SR factory today to see and hear the new Galileo cable cells (amazing). While I was there I asked Ted about Bacardi's idea for an Active HDMI cable and learned that Ted already has one at home. Long story short Ted went on to post the basic gist of our conversation to this thread not realizing that I was already logged in on his computer. I apologize for any problems this may cause and hope people will understand.

Bacardi,
You are correct. It would be great to have an Active TESLA HDMI cable. In fact I have designed one and have it in my personal home theater system. Its performance is spectacular for an HDMI cable. The problem is, HDMI is for the most part a commodity product whereas the Active HDMI cable I have in my system was hand built in my factory at a cost in time (over one day to build), and materials, that would price it out of reach for 99.9997% of the Home Theater community and it’s still not your best option for the vast majority of material.

In my home system I use a Pioneer PRO-141FD 60 inch plasma monitor. When viewing anything EXCEPT 1080p Blu-ray discs, the Tricon Active 1080i Component Video Cable has a more film like presentation that is more three-dimensional then any HDMI cable I have tried. And this includes 1080p DirecTV pay-per-view broadcasts. The way I see it, 99% of my viewing is of non Blu-ray material. Just last night I did a direct A/B comparison between my prototype Active HDMI cable vs. my production Tricon Active 1080i Component Video Cable on a 1080p pay-per-view broadcast on DirecTV of the film District9 and the Active Component Video cable was the clear winner. As such I see little reason to build a very expensive HDMI cable that is outperformed by our current Active Tesla Component Video cable for the majority of viewing options.

When the day comes that even 20% of my viewing is through our prototype Active HDMI cable I will revisit my decision.

Yours in music (and film),
Ted Denney III
Lead Designer Synergistic Research Inc.