Schumann generators: placebo or...?


At the risk of appearing to be a gullible rube, I’m going to confess up front that the advocacy for Schuman wave generators by some regular posters to this site seemed to me, if not exactly compelling, at least impassioned enough to be worth risking sending $13 (a significant number?) to China to give one a try.

Last week, I received my Schuman wave generator. I turned on my system, put on some music, plugged in the device, and…nothing. So, I attached it to an extension cord in order to position it wherever I wanted, and even hold it in my lap where I could turn it “on” and “off” by plugging or unplugging it while sitting in the sweet spot. Nada. It makes no sound of its own (after all, it has no transducer of any kind to move air), it doesn’t get hot (fortunately!), no pilot light comes on (there is no pilot light). It seems to be a classic “do-nothing box,” the kind of thing first-year shop kids put together in order to learn how to solder. Except do-noting boxes usually at least light up.

But what do I know? Not enough to mount an argument, other than the one I just made: it completely failed the listening test. Then again, maybe I got a “defective” unit. (Or, as I’m sure its Audiogon advocates would prefer to say, maybe my hearing isn’t as keen, or as discerning, as theirs.)

However, I have friends who know about these things. One of them installs solar panels for people off the grid, built his own house by himself, including all the wiring and plumbing, and has been able to fix anything electrical or mechanical I’ve ever sent his way. The other has a PhD in physics and is currently a key researcher on Google’s quantum computer project.

Here’s the skinny from these two.

The Schumann generator appears to be a simple push-pull circuit, with two small transistors producing a fluctuating current. This current should generate a small magnetic field that would be limited to the immediate vicinity of the circuit board—it would fall off rapidly just a few inches from it. However, if any such magnetic field were being generated (as, for instance, is done by wireless chargers for devices like Apple watches), it would be enough to deflect the needle of a compass. We tried bringing a compass near the Schumann generator, and there was no effect at all. (The Apple wireless charger, in case you’re wondering, makes the compass go berserk.) However, even if there were some detectable magnetic field generated by this device, it’s completely unclear to either of these two guys how such a field could in any way affect audible frequencies produced by speakers in a room.

OK, next question. I’ve wondered from the outset what kind of “wave” this thing is even supposed to generate. Never mind that 7.83 Hz is well below the lower limit of human hearing. What sort of 7.83 Hz “wave” could possibly even be claimed for this device that might have anything at all to do with the moving air in a room generated by an audio system that moves speaker cones? The Schumann generator has no sort of transducer connected to it, as I’ve already mentioned, nothing that could move air. So is the Schumann generator producing a “radio wave,” as one of its Augiogon advocates affirmed to me in an email in answer to this question? Even if it is, how can a radio wave have any effect on a sound wave?

For what it’s worth, here’s how Wikipedia defines the relevant physical phenomenon: “The Schumann resonances are a set of spectrum peaks in the extremely low frequency portion of the Earth’s electromagnetic field spectrum. Schumann resonances are global electromagnetic resonances, generated and excited by lightning discharges in the cavity formed by the Earth’s surface and the ionosphere.” Um…sure. So they’re “electromagnetic resonances.” That’s pretty vague; radio waves are electromagnetic waves, but so is light, microwaves, X-rays, gamma radiation, etc. etc. Bottom line: can electromagnetic waves (or resonances) interfere with, or augment, or in any other way affect sound waves?

Well, here’s a summary of what my friends said.

1. Any wave form at 7.83 Hz would have a wave length of about 2 miles and would need an antenna in that range to listen to or transmit.

2. Transmission of radio waves usually involves some heat loss and good-sized heat sinks. But the Schumann generator doesn’t get hot, and has none of the large conductors or components required for such transmission.

3. In any case, radio waves cannot affect audio (sound) waves.

4. The AC house current sine wave is not clean—the fuzziness can be seen on an oscilloscope—which could contaminate the cleanliness of an amplifier, and a resonating device plugged into the wall might somehow be contrived to “clean” that up. But not this device, and not at 7.83 Hz.

5. If the brain could be resonated, at who knows what frequency, perhaps audio perception could be affected. But…come on! And at the low power of the Schumann generator, you’d have to glue that thing to your forehead.

Conclusion? You can draw your own, I suppose, and you surely will. But mine is uncomplicated. I hear no difference, and my friends, expertly knowledgeable in the appropriate domains, are dismissive of any scientific explanation for why I should hear any difference. So those who advocate for Schumann generators are either disingenuously running some sort of experiment to see if they can perpetrate a hoax on the Audiogon community (and we know there are a lot of hoaxes, conspiracy theories, and general nonsense out there that recent history has brought out of some of these very same Audiogon Schumann advocates)—or else, if they are in earnest, they are themselves deceived by a placebo effect. In short: “Snake oil.” So, slather it on, folks! Buy several; the more the merrier: they’re cheap! And, if you decide you don’t hear any effect after all, you can always use them for the purpose (also bogus, as far as I can tell, but that’s another story) for which they are marketed: to calm you and help you sleep. Sweet dreams.


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Maybe you can use it on your patio at night to ward off mosquito's? Seriously folks, more insanity perpetuated by the gullible and deluded!
I've been researching the Schumann Resonator, it has nothing to do with interacting with your audio components. It doesn't help sync any sound waves or have effects like crystals.

According to my neurologist, it generates an electromagnetic wave equal to 7.83 hertz, which is the EM field the earth produces. The resonator tunes our brain waves to the same pulse as the earth is generating. The brain can be more relaxed or focused and tuned in to music and other external RF waves. This is my layman's explanation. Tesla based his work around the 7.68 Hz frequency.

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You’ve done your homework. Let’s see if anyone can add anything useful other than you have to try it and see. This topic was beaten to death though recently on another thread. My assessment is it is an EM not sound wave that is supposedly generated however one needs very exotic gear to detect and measure low level data em radiation at that frequency. Not something you can do at home if you look it up. Assuming it does something the effect would be on you and your perception of sound based on the science behind The earth’s Schumann Resonance. But any effect  of SR on humans is pseudoscience and marketed for its supposed natural effects like natural herbal supplements, etc.

Try one if you are curious. The sell is its cheap enough for any one to try regardless. I will pass. Good luck!  
The OP takes the engineering or scientific stance, and there's nothing wrong with that. Some people are just wired that way, and they are the ones who usually make great discoveries with their inquisitive minds. 
There are also those that believe that if you can't find a reason why something like this is having a certain effect, you're not looking in the right place.
The way my mind works, I just tune in to see what a variety of listeners are saying over a period of time, and then, if I can afford to try the item in question, I will take the chance.
In this case, the price was very affordable, and I heard an immediate and positive difference. I'm neither a scientist nor an engineer, and I really have no interest in how or why it works (for me), just that it does work. 
I'm sure that it doesn't have any effect for some people, and others say it gave them a headache. All valid.
As for as the different approaches to viewing this particular tweak, as my father often said, there's a job for every bee in the hive.
 
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First: i dont recommend costly tweaks and dont buy them...

Second: i created my own devices at low cost or at NO cost...

Third: my system is 500 bucks but sound not like a 500 bucks system... There is 3 working dimensions which ask to be controlled in any audio system: mechanical, electrical and acoustical...This is the reason why my system is very good...Not the branded name of my dac, amplifier and speakers even if they are indeed well choosen...I never like others here give publicity to the gear or any tweaks itself especially costly one...I promote our own creativity only...

Four: i NEVER recommended the S.G. to be the first acoustic control.... Passive materials acoustic treatment and active controls of the room like with my mechanical equalizer are more powerful... I use many others acoustical controls always at peanuts costs...

Five: a cheap experiment with a peanut cost device is supposed to be fun it is not a BAIT to buy costly device after that .... I never bought one costly tweak and never will....I dont need them for my S.Q.

Six: there is plenty of reason why this single S.R. did not work for you... Because if you read reviews about that for the last 2 decades a huge crowd of people vouched to this audible effect... Hallucination or placebo exist but not in a collective scale with improvement of the hallucination with the number of added devices...I had a grid of many S.R. because the effect was increasing and they are cheap...

Sept: I am the only one here who advocated not for tweaks but for what i called " controls over the working embedding dimensions for any audio system" mechanical,electrical and acoustical... And i am the only one who said to have did it at low cost or no cost...It is not perfect but it work...Anyone can create his own...

Eight: i sell confidence in yourself, creativity, listening fun experiments, and my motto is : NEVER UPGRADE BEFORE EMBEDDING EVERYTHING RIGHTFULLY...And it is not necessary to upgrade when your system is very good.... Mine is now....

And i claimed loudly that audiophile experience is possible at very low cost...Contrary to all the crowd here...

Then claim anything about me but dont call what i did a scam....

I am not a seller...

And instead of whining, we must think by ourself....

By the way my goal was never to do science or pretending like some here to do so.... I know what is science and it is not in audio thread....My goal was creating my own audio system at low cost with my limited knowledge... i did it.... then i am the complete opposite of any scammer here, some of those who sells too costly tweaks, and some pseudo-scientist who advocate for the idea that audiophile experience is possible only by costly engineering purchase or after a string of blind test.......

Instead of losing money and my time i simply learned to listen and trust myself....

Is it clear?

I dont want to be associated with anybody or any products.....

Thank you.....
If the goal here is to be accurate, scientific, and logical then we must acknowledge, recognize, and admit that the results of this test apply only to this test and could be different in another system or different listeners participating in the test listeners can always do their own tests.
Edgewound,
Well one thing is certain... Since the "worker bees" take away the "queen bees" waste, she is not an engineer or a scientist. The worker bees simply wouldn't put up with that sh*t. 
Maybe you received a faulty unit.  

The ones I run have a blue LED indicator light that glows when they are plugged in.

Some people can be hypnotized others can not. There are people I could give a device that does absolutely nothing and these same people will brag of an insanely incredible improvement in sound, the placebo effect.
Not looking in the right place? That is an extremely lame excuse. here is no "magic" to any of this.
Snilf, thank you for the very sane dissertation on the subject. I have been given two of these devices for supposed health benefits. I promised a blinded listening test involving other people as I am obviously biased. Hope to do it in the near future. 
I am one of those lucky people who cannot be hypnotized.  
I am one of those lucky people who cannot be hypnotized.
All that is out of your short window is illusion diagnosticated freely by you doctor...

All audiophile experimenting with their ears are if not idiots deluded people ....

By the way i know myself to be highly suggestionable....

But dont be afraid, i know it, i dont fear it, and i know myself....I suggestion myself a lot.... I reprogram myself constantly... Autohypnosis....

Some others are not afraid also to be suggestionable the part of their brain devoted to mechanical habit is non reprogrammable...




«Robot are not suggestible it is the reason why they lack intuition »- Anonymus Smith