primaluna gear, avalon eidolon speakers, cardas


I just purchase some primaluna diologue 7 mono amps and their best preamp. I have some Avalon Eidolon Vision speakers to go with all this. I also have all Cardas Golden Reference interconnects and speaker cable. I don't have it all hooked up yet. Any one have an opinion on this set up.
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I have RCF drivers in Mackie and EAW (they own Mackie or Mackie owns them...something) speakers, and Yorkville is one of the best pro audio companies out there.

I have a strong reaction to what I consider bullcrap which has little or nothing to do with actual sound, and certain personality types who are either instantly dismissive of others or overuse nonesensical descriptive terms ("speed", "black backgrounds", "PRAT", etc.) designed as pretentious psuedo speak we're all supposed to accept...but not all of us do. Bo1972 will never critically read any other posts to the extent that he can clearly comment on them, and has no clue who Andy Kaufman is. That in itself is kind of funny...google it...really...
Andrew Geoffrey Kaufman, I don't know him. Our humor is a lot different compared to humor in the US. It is a lot harder and a lot more on the sarcasm side. When a joke is made in the US, you would laugh, but we would look at eachother and say; we don't think it is funny. I love the Tonight Show. But there is still a big difference compared to here in the Netherlands.

I have a different approach compared to many other people overhere. I still test a lot and Always look for new stuff. I am only interested in the best stuff. That works very effective. Same about 3d sound. You give a demo and ask people to compare it in the same price tag at other shops. Often they come back laughing. They understand the difference is huge. Going back to 2d sound is going back to a much lower level. Sound sells. I only tell what 3D sound makes different. The demo does the work. And that is why the best and most convincing sound sells.

I love comparing, like I love 'battles'in audio. This way is what audio makes so much fun. By selecting the best tools it is so much easier to compete.

A surround specialist in our country said about my system: You have gold in your hands. This is the first time I heard a fully integration of a subwoofer. He closed his eyes and said; your are right the energy is comming from were it is recorded. He is a distributer for: Wadia, Audioresearch, Wilson, Sonus Faber, Transparent, Ayre and even more. He has visited many shows also in the US.

It is a pitty I live on the other side of the world. Then you could hear were I am talking about all the time.

Audio is not about words, but about sound. I sell 3D sound. My focus is on the endresult of every single system. I Always want to create the best sound for the money. I am a very focused person. Focusing on one thing makes it a lot stronger and convincing than when you spread your energy.
Bo1972 - Aren't you spreading your energy unnecessarily by talking to us. I think it highly improbable that anyone here is apt to become your customer.
And it appears clear to me that you will learn nothing from us. So why do you persist in imposing your nonsensical diatribes on an audience you lost at least a month ago?
While you dither away your time on us, Europe is having to do without the benefit of "the gold in your hands". And your relentless name dropping.
Macrojack you speak for me and you don't even know me. If you could only achieve 50% of the level in sound quality I create you would be happy.

I compete even to many highend shops. I would not have been so succesful when it would not be that concincing. In my country there are a few jaleous people as well. I really don't f...care. And you 'know why? Because they don't achieve the level I did achieve at the same show. They were not the absolute sound.

I don't have to proof myself anymore in this business. I have done that many times. Sound sells, and that is how I work. Most of my competitors did not do as many tests as I did. Or are not testing new systems as I do. When you are a perfectionist you never stop testing. I Always want to win, and yessss for some people it is f....irritating. They have the same chanches as I have. It is there responsibility to achieve the same level. I know that it is not possible anymore. Because I put so much more afford in testing for a long long time. They cannot catch up with the knowledge and insight I have. I Always can see 3-4 steps further than they can. This is what I use to the maximum. That is how I beat them. But I still hope they will improve there skills as well. Because I think many people deserve a better endresult in sound. Things can be easy, and that't is why I keep it simple!
Plus 1, Roxy54. I think this thread could have started and ended with Stereo5's appropriate post.
I agree with Reprince and Roxy54 regarding this thread.

Vicdamone: I looked up your bikes up and they certainly seem to be ones that will give you some great rides. I wish you many safe miles.

I've been riding since the late 70's and have stayed with steel. These are the bikes I still have:

1980 Team Raleigh with Campy Super Record (Reynolds 531 tubing)

Circa 1993 Schwinn Waterford Paramount with Campy C-Record (True Temper OS tubing)

Circa 2008 Waterford SR22 with Campy Super Record 11 speed groupo (Reynolds 853 tubing)

Mountain bikes:
Circa 1992 Specialized Stumpjumper Comp with Simano Deore XT (Tange Prestige tubing)

2011 Specialized Epic Comp with a combination of XT and XTR componenents (M5 tubing)

Since I ride the mountain bikes on old railway right of way trails (cross country riding rather than technical trails) I use the same length crank arms on them as my on the road bikes.

Only problem is that I don't ride as much as I should!

Cheers,

John
The true value of this thread is that it allows Bo1972 to post amazing things about which others can derive pleasure from responding to. One needs to see beyond the vacuity of the original post to appreciate the art of what should now be referred to as "Bosponse" or "Boalog." If you can't think of well reasoned criticism of Bo1972, you're missing an opportunity for some fun, albeit el redundo amundo. Otherwise, join in, and realize the conversational equivalent of hitting a tennis ball against a wall...it just comes back no matter what.
Because you make it personal, so there is no focus on the thread anymore. People are right that we fail because it has nothing to do with the thread.

Woodworker is new overhere I think. He did not respond once on his own thread. We didn't help him good enough.

I would ask to him how he discribes his overwhole sound. What does he like and what he would like to change?

Woodwoker uses tube amps for his Eidolon vision. The Eidolon is not an easy speaker to control. I sold Avalon for over 6 years of time. I and many of my collegues as well preferred Avalon with tubes. Because the sound was more involving. The low freq were better with solid state amps like Classe ( what was the brand which we sold the most with Avalon) The mid freq. were less musical compared to tubes. I did not like classical music with Classe at all.

The Cardas Golden reference is on the warm side and with the Primaluna sound I think a little too much. I would choose for different cable.

I also think Pass labs is a better combination. You get a superior timing and a lot more control and grip. And with the class A you still get a very musical mid freq. The extra timing wil let you hear things of a recoding which you didn't hear with tubes.

The new Audioquest loudspeakercabels would be an option to work more precise compared to the Cardas Golden reference. Better timing, and more control in the low freq. The Audioquest loudspeakercables and also there interconnects are stunning in giving the best blacks. This make instruments and also voices a lot more palpable. It gives a much sharper individual focus of instruments and voices. You also hear more space around instruments and voices. This gives you in combination with the stunning blacks a more 3 dimensional image.

I also think Pass labs is a better combination compared to the Priumaluna. You get a superior timing and a lot more control and grip. And with the class A you still get a very musical mid freq. The extra timing wil let you hear things of a recoding which you didn't hear with tubes.
Reynolds: Yes. I am a cyclist as well but not a good one (3W/kg/hr). I have a Rikulau ( no name TW brand) with Reynolds 931 tubings. Also have the usual carbon fiber latest and greatest.

Sorry for the hijecking the thread.

"I always want to win", "They cannot catch up". It appears Bo1972 is a cyclist as well.

Trying different equipment lead to some knowlegde. Setting up different rooms or along different walls of the same room are great education as well.

"Mater handbook of Acoustics" is the most valuable reading I have com across.
hahahahaha...In the past I did cycle a lot. Don't forget I come from The Netherlands. There is no country in the world with so many bicycles. I have two.

Even changing the place of your speakers with a few cm makes a big difference on the acoustics. In the past I did it a lot at clients there house. First I did listen for about 25 min with there music. After this I used my own music and changed the speakers ( to get a better balance with the low freq in the room. And I measured the speakers at mm percision. And giving the instruments the right proportion). I cost me about 20 min. After this I Always asked the client to play the same music he just played. That they often had a big smile. And I said; and this is just for free. And then I started with cables. Convicing makes it so much easier to win thrust. Audio can be very simple!
On the Prima Luna power amps, they can sound even better if you go to the KT-120's vs KT-88's
Hey Bol1972 - you said you knew Avalon's - as I asked before, would you add a REL or Jl Audio sub to a pair of Ascendents ?????
Reyn, yes, my Raleigh was 531 butted tubing with a longish wheelbase, very comfy. It was a great relief and a good training tool during the two aluminium road bike ass hatchets which were very short lived.

The Calfee is tube and joint carbon and incredibly lively unlike many of todays wooden feeling laid up carbon race bikes. I'm getting older and my tires seem to be getting wider.
In the past I sold Rel subwoofer like Stadium with Avalon loudspeakers. These days there are different standards. Rel make still fine subwoofers, but they are not the fastest in response.

I would choose blind for a sealed subwoofer. I also prefer units in front of the subwoofer.
Hi

I recommend Martin Logan Depth sub-woofer to be used with Avalon speakers. I use this subwoofer with Avalon Avatar. It can be integrated with Avalon seamlessly. Because this subwoofer has 25hz volume pot to fine tune to solve room node problem. However you must use interconnect cable in same quality level as your interconnect cable of main amp.

And I do not agree with Bo about Avalon speakers cannot provide palpable image focus inside between two speakers. The set up of speakers location and very little toe in is very important to get it. And I use all MIT interconnect cable and speaker cable (oracle series).
Hi,

I just want to add that I have changed my main speakers to be Avalon Eidolon Diamond replacing Avalon Avatar. Now the Martin Logan Depth sub-woofer is not used any more. There is enough bass and it is very high quality bass with pitch, texture, clean and control bass, no any boated bass. What you get more from Avalon Avatar is that music has much more weight and body. It is like music band is playing in your room, you listen to music band, not hifi reproduction system. The dynamics is effortless, no any compression or stress sound. The music can play loud with very clear instruments, no blur, no congest. And I want to say against Bo1972 again that I use MIT Oracle IC and MIT Oracle speaker wire. There is palpable singer and superb holographic image of all instruments. The Avalon Eidolon Diamond is very accurate and neutral speakers. It will show any fault in previous system chain, if there is. And it is very sensitive of speakers location placing in room and toe in set up of speakers. If anything wrong, its sound will be just ordinary speakers. If toe in is not enough, no focus image and no soul sound or you will feel not involve in music, lifeless music. But if you set up correct, its sound will be superb excellent sound which you cannot imagine that it reach to this excellent level. I am very happy and plan to add Stealth Audio Indra IC to my system to further improve my hifi system. The Stealth Audio Indra IC is most neutral, accurate, fast and ultra-detail sound IC. I hope that it will lift up my system to next level again!