(Maybe) Definitive speakers


Hello everyone, I would like some suggestions regarding important speakers, "maybe" definitive as the title says, with the following characteristics: - Ability to reconstruct stage, especially in depth, simply top. - Maximum transparency. - Excellent rendering capacity of microdetail and harmonics. - Excellent speed. - Good extension at the bottom, possibly excellent. - Excellent control and articulation at the bottom. - Zero listening effort, without giving up the realism of reproduction. In short, the characteristics of the best mini speakers combined with those of excellent speakers if not full range but at least more complete. Virtually the perfect speaker ...: $ The dimensions of the listening room, average reflective, are 600 x 450 cm with speakers positioned on the long side up to a distance of 70 -80 cm from the back wall. They will be driven by a PS Audio BHK 250 Signature. I would have a slight preference for American speakers, I'm in fact a strong supporter of geographic philology in systems building, but obviously I would be willing to have a good flexibility if it was worth it. Better if it were possible to listen to them in Italy rather than having to cross the ocean ... Budget up to 8000, even (above all ...) on used. Thank you Mario
mariovidal65
All of that for $8000... I think we'd all be interested in hearing some candidates that fill those requirements.
Perfect then!

I look forward to receive your suggestions!

@roxy54 :  8000$ on used, which could mean 16000$ from new is not properly a bag of beans...at least for me...


Mario
If you could up your budget a little,look for a demo pair of Lawrence audio double bass speakers,like I did.
They should meet or exceed all your expectations and they are just beautiful to look at.


Best of luck to you,
Kenny.
Listen to Vandersteens and Magnepans. Neither are "perfect", but they are both very, very good. 
Happy hunting!

Tom
+1 for Vandersteen and Maggies.
Preferably the former.
Though on your side of the Atlantic, there is ProAc, which might be better in terms of servicing. ProAc, though not exactly Vandersteen, comes quite close soundwise, but with a little 'English' sound. If that makes any sense.
B
Thank you tomcarr and gdnrbob,

I'm really curious about both Vendersteens and Maggies, my problem is always the same, that is to say to be able to hear them here in Italy...

But I will try...

What models do you suggest? 3.7 for the Maggies and Treo CT for Vandersteens? Price apart the Quatro CT are half active speakers, I don't want to waste the good of the BHK 250 mixing it with an amp not at the same level...

What do you think?

Regards

Mario
Living in Europe and at that price point, I'd look into Magico or Focal, or even Sonus Faber. Curious why the fondness for American speakers?
I think a pair of used Quattro CTs would sound wonderful with your BHK 250. 
I also think you should consider booking a flight to go listen to as many speakers as you can before you spend $$$. Don't buy ear-blind. Buy what YOU like the sound of. 
I'm not going to recommend anything because speakers can only be amazing if they mate well with your room, which IMO is a total crapshoot.  Again, IMO, the room/speaker interface is the most overlooked attribute in purchasing speakers.  I have had some great speakers in my room - Harbeth SHL5, Monitor 30, Totem Hawks and Forests, Opera Callas, Coincident.  Speakers I wanted badly to love, but many of them just would not produce a well-balanced response in my listening room.  So - you can listen all you like and at least get in the ballpark, but you won't know what's what until you install them.  When they click, it's amazing.  What to do?  Either buy from a dealer that will let you demo the speakers in your house or buy top-name speakers used, hope for the best and sell them if they don't work.  
Or you bring in a Lyngdorf product with room perfect and take the majority of that worrisome equation out of the picture.

Still a highly subjective subject though and getting a potential candidate in your system for a trial is always the best way.

Kenny.