High value, high efficiency speakers for SET amps


Hi, Gang,
I know that some of what I want to discuss here has been dealt with in other threads, some of them quite old, but I wanted to see if any of you fine, knowledgable folks are willing to help update and consolidate some of this info in a more current thread.
I am currently running my new Audio Note Kit 1 300B SET amp with a pair of Reference 3A De Capo speakers. I think it's a fine pairing and I am really enjoying what the 300B SET experience brings to the table in terms of musicality and emotional connection.
Still the De Capo, while supposedly an easy load due to its crossover-less design (only 1 cap on the tweeter with the mid-woofer directly coupled to the amp), is "only" rated at 92 db efficient, and based on the most recent Canadian NRC specs, that rating may be optimistic.
So, I am toying with the idea of trying a pair of more efficient, deliberately SET-friendly speakers in my rig, something that might also play lower and with greater dynamic swing than the De Capo's. Note that the De Capo's have served me well and I am very fond of them, but I can't help but wonder if my lovely Kit 1 would shine even better coupled to a VERY easy to drive speaker.
Devore and Audio Note are obvious options - the O/96 looks really tasty. Unfortunately, both of those choices are out of my budget, which I'm thinking maxes out (for real) at around $1500. I am willing to consider used equipment.
Tekton Lore 2.0: This is the speaker that Eric Alexander of Tekton has recommended when we've spoken on the phone, based upon my medium-small listening room and amp. I've read the epic "Lore vs. Zu" thread elsewhere in this forum, and clearly Tekton has its enthusiastic fans here. What I wonder is whether the Lore 2.0 has the refinement of the De Capo in terms of resolution, sweet high end and imaging. Audiogon'er Mikirob has pointed me to the many rave reviews of Tekton's speakers and I'm definitely interested.
I've corresponded with the Sonist folks (who are super nice) but their really high-efficiency, nearly-full-range floor stander is out of my budget.
Then there's the "vintage" route, going after some used JBL's or other high-efficiency "classics" from the 80's (or '70's). I am not inclined to go in this direction, but mention it because it's been suggested to me.
And then there's Omega. I spoke to Louis some time ago and he recommended his 7XRS hemp cone model. But I know all the raps on single driver designs and I'm cautious, although I would like to hear from any of you who own or have owned Omega's.
I'm in no rush to make a switch but I am very interested in your thoughts. Thanks, folks!
rebbi
Grannyring, I think he purchased Omega Alnico monitors. The thread is on Audiocircle.
A famous audiophile once said:

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"

...wait that wasn't an audiophile who said that first. :^)

He also said no coveting or graven images.

Couldn't have been an audiophile.
Rebbi, where are you? Tell us about your new Omega speakers. Please. I am shopping for a set of high efficiency speakers. I am leaning towards Audio Kinesis as well as Audio Note. Problem with AN is how utterly confusing that line is. What is the pricing? Just a mess to understand.

I know the speakers sound beautiful.
Bill,
I suspect that Jet could help you sort through the quagmire of the Audio Note speaker line up.
Charles/Bill, The two Audio Note Speakers of which I know the price is the ANE-LX-HE which is around $8700. I have these speakers and they have Lexus copper internal wire. And the ANE-SPe-HE which is around $9600. It has SPe silver internal wire. There are of course higher models with external crossover, but I dont know anything about their prices. Try amherst audio's website for for info.
It would be interesting to be able to actually audition and compare the various AN speaker models at the various price points.

For me, what I find challenging is not what each model is so much as what are the difference in sound quality in that teh main difference seems to be the wires and other parts used more so than the basic design or drivers used. I would expect huge differences given teh range of prices but no way to know what to choose without listening and comparing it seems, more so than most lines.
Hi, folks,
I'm sorry for my absence. I haven't even visited this forum in a few weeks – it's been a very busy time. (I kind of wish that Audiogon had the feature that a lot of other bulletin boards have, allowing you to request email notification whenever someone posts to a particular thread.)
Anyway, yes, I have had the opportunity to live with a couple of other speakers over the past few months. As some of you may have seen on my blog, Fritz Heiler of Fritz Speakers asked me to audition a pair of his Carbon 7 SE monitors. Actually still have them at home, waiting until the next reviewer is ready for them so Fritz can ship them along to him/her. They are really quite wonderful.
I purchased and am currently using a pair of Omega Super Alnico monitors. This is Louis' top-of-the-line monitor, featuring his 6.5 inch hemp cone full range driver with an alnico magnet. Louis of Omega is quite the artisan – the zebra wood veneer is about the most beautiful finish I have ever seen on any speaker.
Omega is a favorite choice of the Decware amplifier crowd and it is easy to see why. I have never heard any speaker that images and throws out a soundstage like these do. [Mapman: You should hear these things play Lindsey Buckingham's "Under the Skin!"] It's quite remarkable: with the right material, you get spaciousness similar to an omni speaker like Ohm, with the pinpoint imaging of a mini monitor. Midrange and coherence are also top notch.
Up until now I've been listening to them on a pair of cheap, wobbly MDF stands that just happened to be the right height but that I know aren't bringing out the best in these speakers. I took the plunge on a pair of Skylan custom-made stands for these and I hope to have the chance to assemble them next week. At that point, I'll be ready to post some more useful impressions.
Hope everyone's been well!
Reno take a look at isoacoustics stands on Amazon if there are a size that would fit. Isolating stands and platforms like auralex subdude seem to take imaging soundstage and detail to a higher level in my upper level rooms not at foundation level.
I heard the Audion-Note AX-2 with 300b SET, it sounded awesome, had smooth treble, clear mid-range and bass good for the 6inch driver and SET had no problem to drive them effortlessly, however the sound stage didn't have the depth and width of PMC twenty series when compared side by side.
So are these the "ones"?

Nothing wrong with not being totally enamored with something and saying. I bet even Tom Brady can find something not to like about Giselle.
Regarding the Audio Note speakers, I just saw a pair on higherfi web site that shows a retail price of $250,000.

I didn't realize they could go that higher. Then again, the site is called "higherfi".

Next time I hear AN-E at a show and like them, I really need to nail down which ones they are exactly and how much they cost. They are usually among the best, but for those prices I suppose they should be.
I'll check out the Roku. Their box technology for music streaming was not up to snuff with Amazon Fire TV box when it first came out, but things change. I used a pair of Roku Soundbridge Streamers to external DAC several years back prior to Squeezebox. Those sounded very good, undistinguishable from Squeezebox Touch into same DACs I thought at the time. I still have a couple sitting around unused but the hardware and software is somewhat dated these days. But I have been hoping Roku would get serious about music streaming again ever since and figured maybe it was just a matter of time.
I'm jumping into this thread at the AudioNote AN e talk I have run them and they are wonderful. But not nearly at efficient as they claim. I sold mine and got a set of Living Voice Avatar 2's honest 94db and 6ohm load running them with 8wch 300b SET to great effect. Not quite as much base as the ANe's but much more musical and less one note bass then i found with the ANe's ( ANe's did not have much of a sound stage in my room either). You don't see Living Voice speakers here in North America often but they are worth a look at the same price range's as the lower ANE's (lower as in the $5k to $25k range lol) I really like the Avatar 2's they do something with the SET that suck you into the music.
I currently use the Lore 2.0 [ti tweet, 10" woof] from Tekton - God didnt make this one. Its a mortal creation, imperfect. Its a high value [cheap] high efficiency large box that's not boomy and doing ok. Speaker reviews ARE LIKE SIZING UP A HORSE BY ONLY LOOKING AT THE REAR END. My view ie the Linn view: the speaker is always least important. The signal [front end] is most important. Every component downstream from the performance distorts and colors the initial signal,  from the bow on the violin to the hall acoustics to the mikes and recording gear to the studio tape machines to the mastering to the plant to the cartridge then the tonearm and wire to the phono stage and then the ICs, then to the amp etc etc. By the time the signal reaches the speakers its been screwed with more than a model in high heels. So when a reviewer declares that some speaker is "great" without mentioning and factoring in the upstream components, hes doing little good, maybe more harm than good. Perhaps worse then a useless lame review if not falsifying. Speakers all color the sound and none can be designed to do otherwise. They also intentionally fall far short of "fidelity" to a recording, which has already fallen far short of a live performance, so whats the right criteria for gear reviews then? There is no such thing as right criteria!   Had quite a few speakers and amps and preamps etc, tube and SS. Tape, vinyl and CD. Been there and back. I have yet to read a single gear review that even attempted to propose let alone declare "criteria" beyond stating biases and generalities. This isnt a creative hobby, its just trading toys. The only way one can advance is to trade up, take chances and thereby hope to learn as you go, using ones own room and gear and bank account. Few reviews helped in making a purchase; most reviews in fact are biased and misleading sales pitches and harm more than help; especially harmful to new buyers who are lacking experience and might be more easily suckered. . 
Speakers are indeed most important and the pairing with the right amp is part of it. The source is always important, but today many good ones can be had cheaply with the speaker/amp combo really determining the resulting sound to the greatest degree. 

@glennewdick. Agreed that the LV speakers are just wonderful!
Every single component in the audio signal chain is important and influential (weakest link analogy).  However I do agree that the amplifier/speaker interface is critical for success.  Practically speaking you can't separate the amplifier and speaker,  they're intertwined.  As a pair they  profoundly determine the ultimate sound quality of the audio system. 
Charles 
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Rear ends are strictly metaphor and windows to the soul. The rump quantifies the horse. Besides, jockeys are hungry and need to eat...


Klipsch gets a lot of crap on forums but honestly my new Heresy III are a really good value in my opinion.  I have had them almost two months, retubed with fresh EL34s and they are a great match.  They don't do everything perfectly but what they do is sound big, and lively , and dynamic.   They are fun to listen to, not clinical or boring.