ATC very nice :-) we have a pair in the studio - very neutral
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ATCs are known to be the best speakers on the planet, most just can't afford them. I can't for the ones I'd want. I do feel the active ones are the way to go, separate amps individually provided for each driver.
You won't find anything wrong with them once you put the miles on, its' the recordings that you'll have a problem with because now you can hear EVERYTHING. They are effortless and amazing in almost every recording you can throw at them. Why does Disney and Plexar master with ATCs, they have more money than anyone on here (maybe)?
Mr. Kenjit above has no experience in Pro audio, most do not on the forum. Look at his stupid post in December, he is doing something above here that he insists no one do in his own post. Opinions are indeed like something he must have plenty of.
You do need a Sub, but not one, reality kicks you in the teeth when you run two subs in stereo. You'll be glad you did and love your techncially superior ATCs more than ever.
Turn it up to "11"!
ATC tend to have poor midrange performance but people enjoy the bass response due to their seled box design. They arent innovative either with the cabinet. Its just a square wood box and will suffer all the problems other wood boxes suffer. Wilson and magico use different cabinet materials to try to achieve higher sound quality but ATC have taken a shortcut and used a plain old box. Shape matters too but again theyve used the shape that is easiest to make, ie a box.
Unfortunately ATC do not provide even a basic frequency response graph let alone any other measurements on their website so any claims about their performance are unsubstantiated.
I said one of the cleanest speakers. Yes others use other speakers. What is your point? Like I asked where are you coming up with ATC have poor midrange performance. You cannot answer a simple question. Well the answer is you made it up just to start an argument. Guess I fell right into your little troll trap. LOL
Whether or not you like the ATC sound they are objectively outstanding. The famous dome midrange has been measured by independent parties and they've published the results. I normally avoid getting personal but in case anyone happens across this thread and isn't familiar with the situation, kenjit wanders from thread to thread making bizarre and untrue claims that nobody should pay attention to.
Jeff Bagby reviewed the ATC dome midrange and did a bunch of measurements.
"Yes, in my opinion, on an absolute basis, this is an exceptional driver and one of the finest midrange transducers I have ever listened to or measured. The SM75-150S may be difficult to find and may be very expensive when you do find it, so it may not be a good value in everyone’s mind, but if you are looking for cost-no-object midrange performance then you may want to begin looking for a pair of ATC SM75-150S midrange drivers. "
John Krutke of Zaph audio also did some measurements that showed the same outstanding performance.
"Probably one of the cleanest midrange domes I've tested, with the lower midrange coming close to the noise floor of my measurement setup."
Sept 22, 2011
What hifi magazine in the UK did a review of another speaker in which they compared it against ATC. I am not mentioning this to endorse that product but as evidence to show that the ATC sound is not perfect and its only when you hear something superior that you realize that.
Keep in mind that What hifi are huge fans of ATC they have awarded ATC 5 stars many times. I believe their reference speaker is also the flagship ATC.
Despite their enthusiasm for ATC heres what they had to say about this other speaker they reviewed in comparison to the ATC
these speakers deliver a wonderfully laid-out soundstage: it’s solid and intricately layered with suitably well-recorded material. Even the best of their conventional rivals, such as the ATC SCM 11 and KEF LS50 speakers, sound vague and imprecise in comparison.
in another review they wrote
Multi-driver alternatives put bandwidth ahead of cohesion and timing.Compare any of these to the Eclipses, and they sound messy and poorly organised.
And that is true of the ATC. They are ultimately a multi driver speaker. And that statement by whathifi applies to the ATC too.
You said they had crummy midrange. Why??Did you not read my answer? I explained why already. Perhaps you have lower standards than i do? That would explain why our opinions differ.
Maybe if they took those drivers and cut some holes in the side of the house they would be perfect??
Unfortunately the domes are already sealed so they dont need a cabinet.
Nice system @fivestringsdown, and glad you’re so thoroughly enjoying it.
Please don’t respond further to kenjit’s insanity here. It just demeans the original thread and wastes everyone’s time. I’ve long since ceased reading any of his ridiculous posts because doing so just encourages him. Better to just sit in the corner and chew on tinfoil — it’s more productive and less painful.
Is there any concern that the ATC speakers are quite light and thus more susceptible to distortion ? I think their flagship speaker is like 31 kg.
Where did this "flagship is 31kg" info come from? From what I can see, their SE150 (their top of the range discrete active tower models) are 97Kg. Not accusing you of anything, but its not the right info and wonder where you found this. One thing about ATC's is they are not light. Even the small Classic 6.5 inch Model 20 passive 2 way bookshelf is 27Kg with veneer.
@fivestringsdown & atc fans. Thought you might appreciate this story detailing the speaker's construction...
What Hi-Fi?: The making of: ATC SCM50.
Please ignore Kenjit. He has no money and even less Hi-Fi knowledge, especially when it comes to speakers. If you look at Kenjit's system, it says it all really... LOL
Sorry Kenjit but you pretend to know a lot and actually know very little. You just attack other Brands (and music lovers) because you cannot afford those products. You are a very sad little individual that should of been booted off here a long time ago.
A few corrections for you:
1) the ATC 20 Classic is 27kg, not 18. ( The ATC SCM 19 is 18 kg).
2) ATC is known for its terrific midrange, not weak midrange
3) very few of ATC's models are sealed, but we do shoot for the ideal 12dB per octave LF roll off of a sealed box.
4) Obsession with fancy cabinets and marketing of cabinets is fine, but you are missing the far more important issue of the drivers themselves. This is where the sound comes from!
5) You are right, many studios do not choose ATC. But studios do not make records, they are simply a room with gear in it the engineers rent to work in. Most engineers bring their own speakers with them so they can work on something familiar.
6) All claims by all manufacturers of speakers are unsubstantiated in your room except weight and dimensions. It is folly to think the subjective sound quality of a speaker in an unknown acoustical space (the listener's room) can be reliably predicted via any spec or combination of specs.
Too bad this thread became a train wreck.......as a friend of mine once said “Hey kid, get off my lawn”.
I grabbed one of my pro audio subs (very physically large in this room lol) just so I could get a feel for how they sound with a sub and the short answer is awesome.
I like these speakers even more than when I first got them, they seem to have warmed up in the mids and smoothed out a little in the highs.....streaming high res tracks sounds magical .......the remasters of Prince “1999” and “Purple Rain” are some of the best remasters I have heard anywhere.......
I have a new song to mix and I will definitely be using these to check mixes on.....
I understand I have given these speakers high praise.....(we all know the “perfect speaker” does not exist and it wouldn’t be nearly as much fun as it is, if it did) but we spend a lot of time and energy chasing our idea of great sound......so when all of the stars align.....it’s more than very cool.
Thanks for all of the positive input and direction!
Now.....on to subwoofers!
Awesome! Glad you are enjoying them and actually “getting” them as in understanding why they are so special. I’ll have some SCM11’s some day. Atc speakers are just fantastic and do things in the midrange that I haven’t had any other speaker do in my listening environment. The highs are exceptional also.
Get a pair of Rythmiks, HSU, SVS, REL and be in hifi heaven 👍