Yup, diagonal placement in a squareish room often works quite well.
You might also try 15 or 20 degrees - in other words, asymmetry. In some cases this is a net improvement; the bass may end up smoother, and the ear generally likes for the reflections arriving at each ear to be somewhat dissimilar (according to Floyd Toole's book).
Duke
dealer/manufacturer/occasional dabbler in semi-diagonal geometries |
I suppose you are referring to toe-in. My main room is 14x15 and my ESP speakers are designed to have a 45 degree angle into the listening area. I also use quite a bit of toe-in on the speakers in my secondary system but not as much as 45 degrees. I would venture to say that most speakers would not be able to present a credible soundstage and a balanced response at that extreme angle. The exceptions would be speakers specifically designed for corner loading like Audio Note or Klipsch.
By contrast, the N802's setup in the same room require very little toe-in and sound just plain wrong when set up with a lot of toe-in. |
Thanks guys. No, rhljazz, I was referring to setup on two adjacent walls, the corner of the two being the center point. (I do agree with you, however.)
I'm still puzzled by the degree of depth, clarity, richness and rightness of bass, and just overall musicality it's presenting. Who knew? |
Diagonal placement works quite well in small rooms. Here is a good read on it: http://www.decware.com/paper14.htmAlso, at the recent Bay area audio show one of the best rooms IMO was DeHavalind, using a diagonal set-up. Roger Sanders uses one too at shows where he exhibits. |
I have an asymmetrical though not strictly 45 degree configuration I use with my OHM 100S3s in a small 12X12 room that sounds about as good as it gets. |
That's great to hear, thanks!
Do they need to be equal distance from the shared corner, and respective side walls? play by ear or measure?
thanks again! it sounds so good I'm afraid to move em...
(don't worry, I've got friends coming over, skeptical ones, who will do debunking this weekend.) |
They don't need to be equidistant from the shared corner. Using this set-up you can be more flexible in how you place the speakers. Use your ears to judge. |
My room is not small at 17 x 25 but I have used a diagonal set up for years with excellent results, Far better than any symetrical set up I have ever tried in this room. The speakers are not even close to equidistant from any wall surface. My left speaker is several feet to the left of the corner and the right speaker is about 9 feet out of the left corner along the wall. Don't let anyone tell you what you should or shouldn't like. This set up works extremely well. |
i have a diagonal placement in a 11 x 14 room. not exactly 45 degrees..more like 30-60.
advantage is a huge depth..but what gets compromised in my setup is the width (and to some extend the shape) of the soundstage.
but the bass response/midrange are so much better than the standard placement in my room. |
No, in my case, they are not even close to equidistantand the orientation is more like 25-30 degrees than 45 and the right speaker is about 4-5 feet out to the right from the corner and the left about 3-4 feet out to the right of teh corner to the left with teh two speakers about 7 feet or so apart. My listening position is about 4-5 feet back from the speakers near the rear wall. Yes, use your ears to determine what works best. |
Thanks! I'm finding for my room, after all these years, is that this position is yielding the best results ever...I would have thought this the craziest situation in the past. Until you hear it, live and learn, I'd say... |
Verdict in....best sound I've ever had here at the house. So, maybe the room is 50-60% of the sound after all?
thanks for the encouragement.
Chas |
So, maybe the room is 50-60% of the sound after all? I think it is more than that. |
"So, maybe the room is 50-60% of the sound after all?"
Whatever the number I believe it is high enough that it always pays to make it the primary thing to always keep under consideration. |
I tried that in a 14' square room,gave up and move the system into another and larger room. |
Well, I'd opt for a larger non-square room as well if I had one.
Unfortunately, the room where I do this is only 12X12 and square accordingly. Given that, I have no complaints at all by any standard about the results my current setup delivers in that room. |
