Is Sound Stage an artifact of recording?


Yesterday had the opportunity to hear a fine chamber music concert featuring musicians from the NY Philharmonic in a small modern chapel with a slightly domed wooden roof. We sat about 15-20 feet from the musicians. The all acoustic sound was excellent. The Schubert Trout piano quintet  and Brahms piano quartet in G were the program. Afterwards while de-briefing at dinner with an audiophile friend who went with me and our wives, he made the point that despite the excellent acoustics and premier seating he could not close his eyes and see a "sound stage" during the concert. I had noticed the same thing. The locations of the instruments were diffuse. You could not pinpoint the location of the violin as you might expect you could on a good recording of the same work! We agreed that this was not the first time we had noticed this about live music. So I put the question to learned assembly here on Audiogon. Is sound stage something that is invented or perhaps just an artifact of the recording process to help us get the illusion of real musicians playing in front of us. Responses from those of you who have made recordings will be particularly appreciated.

bruce19

@ghdprentice  You may not have read the full details about the recording of Body and Soul by Joe Jackson. Multiple microphones were used.

The hall’s reverberant acoustics were captured by a matched stereo pair of expensive Neumann M50 microphones. Kershenbaum and Jackson set the band up to play together, with each instrument close-miked for individual focus as needed. ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_and_Soul_(Joe_Jackson_album)

The album’s liner note describes the care that went into the recording, including the microphones used: two vintage Neumann M-50s hung 15’ in the air, with others placed closer to instruments for balance. The result captured “The explosive sound of this stone-and-wood hall . . .”  ~ https://www.soundstageaccess.com/index.php/music-and-movie-reviews/featured-releases/1077-joe-jackson-body-and-soul?utm_source=chatgpt.com

In the history of the Grammy Award for Best Engineered Album—classical or non-classical—there have been few, if any, recordings made using only two microphones. Please do your due diligence.

@lanx0003 

That is exactly what I explained. Ambience with two microphones and close mics on each instrument.

How it was recorded is paramount after the venue. The best recordings are primarily through two microphones. The symphony hall I attended the microphones were placed about 10’ about 5th row center about 12’ apart.

Come on!  You purport two mic throughout your write-up.

Comparing live versus recorded sound is only meaningful for unamplified music.  The typical amplified concert manipulates the sound .

  Not all concert venues were designed with an acoustics as the primary consideration.  The OP describes a chapel.  Places of worship may not have taken into account how well they might project any music except choir and organ.  A Piano Quartet is a very different kind of ensemble..

  Recordings tend to spotlight certain instruments.  Compare the sound of a violin in a concerto on a recording versus what it actually sounds like in most concerts.  The typical recording makes it sound much louder than the concert experience 

@lanx0003  - my reading of ghdprentice’s post was that the basic two mic stereophonic recording is the foundation of any and every recorded soundfield - he did mention close mics for each instrument that locates each performer in that soundfield in ‘body and mind’. No soundfield is an artifact of a recording. 
 

In friendship - kevin