Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?


Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?

I'm currently trialing the NAD M23 (1st gen. Eigentakt-based), and I find it intriguing enough to want to understand it better — which means understanding the broader sonic landscape of class D. So I'm crowd-sourcing.

In a recent exchange, the estimable Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere Music Systems) made two comments that stopped me cold. For those who missed it, here's what he said:

"IME, class D amps vary in sound more than tube amps, which is to say, quite a lot."

"IMO there is a bigger difference between various class D amps than you hear between various tube amps. IOW just because you heard one class D amp says nothing about how the next one might sound."

Link: https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2885828

As I think through this more carefully, these are genuinely important claims. My own experience with tube amps confirms that they produce audibly distinct characters across topologies and designs. If Ralph is right and class D exceeds that range, then generalizing from one class D experience to another is even more hazardous than I assumed.

One specific question for Audiogon members:

If you have a Class D amp or have compared class D amplifiers, how would you describe their character(s)?

Here are some criteria I use:

  1. Frequency balance — Is the tonal response even across bass, mids, and treble, or does it favor certain regions?
  2. High-frequency texture — Are the highs extended and smooth, or edgy, grainy, and fatiguing?
  3. Bass definition — Is the low end tight and articulate, or loose and bloated?
  4. Midrange character — Does the midrange feel present and natural, or recessed and thin?
  5. Transient speed — Does the amp respond quickly to dynamic attacks, or does it sound sluggish and rounded?
  6. Dynamic range — Does it scale convincingly from quiet passages to loud ones, or compress the difference?
  7. Soundstage width and depth — Does it create a convincing three-dimensional image, or sound flat and narrow?
  8. Image specificity — Are instruments and voices placed precisely, or do they blur and wander?
  9. Background noise floor — Is the silence between notes actually silent, or is there grain, haze, or hash?
  10. Long-term listenability — After an extended session, do you want to keep listening, or has something been quietly fatiguing you?

If you can include relevant system context — room, speakers, preamp — please do. Those variables will help me interpret what the amp itself is contributing.

I'm less interested in rankings than in understanding what Ralph mentioned, namely the [vast] range of sonic signatures class D is capable of. Eigentakt, Hypex, Pascal, Purifi, GaN-based, etc. — all fair game.

Price is no constraint here — I'm interested in the full range of what's out there.

hilde45

@hilde45 The Class D GanFet does not have a glare. This is version 6.5 of that amp.

The fact that I like the Meitner MA3i over the imersiv D-1 on the brand-new amp is not really indicative of anything yet.

I actually prefer the warmer CODA #11 over the CODA #16 on my big rig when using the imersiv D-1. That DAC is a bit of a unicorn.

Next week I should be getting the #11 back from CODA after a refresh. When I get the amp back, I will return the #16 to the office and compare side by side with the GanFet amp.

@hilde45 too broad a topic and too many variables  to summarize concisely in a useful way. Best to read up on any specific model of interest and go from there.  I can recommend using AI tools available to get useful summaries when comparing two specific products.  I find “web-search” in Poe App to be very good at this specifically. 
 

In general newer models will tend to outperform older.   The best I have heard tend to be newer (the technology is still evolving) and the sound tends to resemble the best tube or SS amps otherwise, but are smaller in size and way more efficient.  
 

Good sound hasn’t changed, only the options available out there to achieve it in various ways. 
 


 

"@fatdaddy2 A useless exercise."

"@fatdaddy2  We each have our own opinion as to "musical". The Crown amp was part of a 4000 watt home theater system involving JBL stage monitors and 18" sub. For HT use, the system made most visits to the theater superfluous, as the better sound was at home. It was never intended for use as a 2-channel stereo system amp, nor did I claim it was. Keep your snark to yourself"

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A useless exercise vs. opinions to as to what’s musical are opposing points of view.

Thanks for the clarification your intended comparison is based on "home theater".  

Love my Gold Note PA-10's and my Canor AI 2.10 both check all the boxes, my class A-B tube amp sits collecting dust. 

Let me try to reply.

foggyus91:   Thanks for sharing—it's telling that your Class A-B tube amp is collecting dust now; that's a strong practical endorsement of the pairing you mention.

mapman:   Good point about specificity; I'll use those tools. The idea that newer Class D tends to resemble the best tube or SS amps but in smaller, more efficient packages captures what people seem to be discovering.

yyzsantabarbara:   Thanks for the clarification—version 6.5 without glare is useful to know, and your side-by-side comparison of the GanFet with the CODA #11 next week should be revealing

bluethinker:   Your framing—whether modern Class D delivers the emotional experience we started this journey for—is exactly right, and your AGD experience validates that. 

kirkwallace:   Thanks for the detailed scoring —exactly the kind of systematic feedback that helps. I'm very curious about your Gato DIA 400S report.

earthbound:   Let us know about your Orchard Audio monoblocks; a good additional data point on the broader Class D landscape. A local audio reviewer I know has them with Spatial open baffle speakers and they're pretty magical.

dwest1023:   That's helpful—the Nuprime bringing you closer to the music; the preamp pairing matters enormously.

doni:   Your experience mirrors bluethinker's—the "just keep listening" quality and lack of harshness with Atma-Sphere suggests a really good design. Have you heard the AGD or are you just comparing it to Atmasphere?