Anybody use HRS EXR racks -any feedback (or maybe lack thereof lol)?


I have a techdas air force turntable- and its not on a specialized rack. It’s on a small butcher block isolation platform, which is sitting on a console table. I’ve noticed the turntable is very sensitive to vibration and it’s been recommended that I bite the bullet and finally get a high-quality audio rack. The HRS EXR Was recommended. Comes with a huge price tag, but I’ve read people saying there is an improvement in sound When using higher tier equipment racks. I was curious if anybody here had experience using these racks or anything similar and if they have noticed improve improvements - which have made it worthwhile. Thanks. 

inthesticks

@inthesticks 

the HRS is the primary recommendation. The fallback would be something from Solid Steel

FWIW: when I ordered my EXR rack there was a 4-6 lead time, and while I waited for it I used a Solidsteel S3-2 two-shelf rack with a HRS R3X isolation base on top. It worked OK, but nowhere near as well as the EXR rack does that replaced it, especially for footfall and other externally born vibrations. Of course, that's comparing a $400 rack to a $6400 rack.

I have had success with Adona racks, which are less costly than HRX, assuming Adona are still in business.

The main issue is external vibrations that cause skipping based on the sensitivity of my cart (DS Audio W3) - its a very light cart, amazing sound but it requires proper stability.

It means the shockwave from footsteps (or even loud playback in some cases!) is causing your rack/cabinet to "rock" ever so slightly, which in turn is energizing / exciting your cartridge suspension to the point the groove can't hold it. The solution here is the same as with subsonic feedback (woofer flapping): much better rigidity in your rack and its anchoring to the floor structure. Your selected HRS will solve the rack's need for rigidity. And fortunately you didn't select a really tall one. If you're on suspended wood floor, you may still find it necessary to anchor to/against a wall - just depends.

A top isolation shelf (short of maybe a Townshend or Minus-K) won't really help here IME, unless you were already right on the edge of success. Adding mass on top (lower rocking frequency) is equally likely to hurt as to help. Anyways I hope you find good results, and it sounds like you'll get there. The times I was fighting this were TRULY frustrating. 

I have had success with Adona racks, which are less costly than HRX, assuming Adona are still in business.

He's still in business. I follow him on FB - good guy, nice system. Nicely designed, very sensible racks. If I were starting over I'd get Adona racks (Altair), with money saved there for other components. 

When becoming aware there may be a need to learn more about where there are benefits to be had from introducing designs, where the sole purpose is to assist with improving the Sources sent signal. Through a means of using a device dedicated to creating Isolation.

There are a selection considerations worthwhile becoming familiar with, as well as the usual constraints that are to be worked with.

I was awarded a dedicated room for my Audio Equipment, for much of the reasons below, which leaves a substantial amount of Freedom as to how the Audio Set Up looks. As I like the Honest approach, the designs would not get of paper, if to be used in a shared room in the home.  

Constraints

1, There are not always one individual only showing an interest in the coffer and how monies are moved to and from the pot.

2, Aesthetics, not much different to the above, there is not always only one person using a Space that is dedicated to the Audio Equipment and Listening. One Persons intention to be creative with their Audio Set Up, might just be too much for another who thinks it has way too much prominence as the current set up.

Considerations

1, Is there a issue that is not definable, but the notion is that improved isolation will fix it. If this is the situation, there are much easier ways to introduce measures, than going to the expense of $2K - $4K to commence an investigation.

2, Is there a known problem, and measures are being sought to substantially reduce the impact believed to be had on the End Sound produced. Again, there are much easier ways to introduce measures, than going to the expense of $2K - $4K to commence an investigation.  

If a purpose produced design in to be investigated, there are things to be understood in advance of the Spend, as the purchase may not be ideal for the needs.

Firstly and already covered is if the design of the Isolation support going to be compatible with the Turntable design to be mounted on it. I have not had too much difficulty in this area, as trialling materials as tiers and differing separators, as well as configurations for the tiers/footers created a design that has proved very beneficial for the DD TT in use. Other configurations proved ideal for the ID TT's when they were the main motor drive TT used. 

I have always stood strong in my discoveries that there is in my experiences had. Not been a ubiquitous solution for the sub support for all Source Set Up's, where there are endless differing environments that these Sources are set up in.

Secondly, there is the knowing what is expected to be controlled by the measures put in place.

Airborne energies are to be found between 2.0Hz - 5.0Hz, of which has been stated studies have shown 3.0Hz received at the Stylus is able to cause issues with End Sound that are not desirable through being audible.

Foot Fall Energies are typically received at the Stylus at 5.0Hz and rising in Hz.

Then there is the Trilogy of Ancillaries to enable Vinyl Replay, where the resonant frequency of the cartridge-tonearm system, mounted on a typical Plinth Design is typically 5-15hz, which is to become and amplification of such external energy.

As one who enjoys Cart's way beyond just dropping the Stylus into the Groove, there is within me an ingrained knowing that a Cart's Stylus condition through usage, is the least concern for when it has lost its optimised function.

It is difficult for myself to believe the Cart' as a new purchase will be supplied as an Optimum Performer. The Cart' will be from a production line and will be assembled by different individuals. As a result, a version of a Cart' that was selected to be marketed design will be produced to be sold. The hand of one assembler is not the hand of another, hence one pays Big Bucks, to have the Master Cart's designer breathe on a Cart' before it goes for packaging. Which leaves the notion of spending big on Isolation as a method, does not protect the Cart' user from such issues that occur at the production..

What is more of a guarantee is that a Cart' will deteriorate through usage and exposure to the environment, usually occurring not too long into the Cart's usage life.

These conditions developing will undoubtedly have an impact, the result being the loss of Optimisation will occur. It could be stated this is where all Cart's designs from a model range become more equal?

I sent a Cart' to a Third Party Service to be assed as a Donor Cart' to be modified. The Cart' had approx' 400-600 Usage Hours on satisfactory clean Vinyl. The outcome being the Cart' was in the condition that enabled it to be a Donor Model, but also needing the Tensioning Wire reset. The other info passed on, that it was with a collection of contamination that was effecting the Armature / Damper function, was much harder to understand, as I am quite careful with maintaining cleanliness.

This info about the Crud build up, prompted me to do a Macro Photography on a Cart' bought with approx' 800 Hrs usage, to be another Donor Model and unused by myself. The contamination the Macro Lens was able to show was substantial, the Armature and Damper were buried in other worldly materials. 

When a Cart' has lost its optimisation, critical parts requiring freedom of movement, or tensioning wires not correct and allowing the already affected areas movement to have further impact on how they the parts are to move. When such conditions are present, and they will be! What is substantial monies spent on support equipment offering for extracting more from the Cart's performance??

The Links will show a few Platforms (Active + Passive ) with designs that can remove frequencies referred to above. Add to this Platform Type a material to be used as a Sub Plinth produced from a 'Resin Impregnated Densified Wood Board' and there is a lot on offer, if comparing to what other very high price ticket items are offering.

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I have 2 HRS isolation bases and they are great, made a difference when I put my phono stage on it, Give HRS a call nobody knows their gear better then them.

I am sure they will steer you in the right direction.