Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Caring about music and caring about sound are (mostly) two different things. I suspect many musicians probably don’t think too much about sound per se or may even wear ear plugs, not that I would know, but I have a hunch. Any more than some dude with a boom box. Besides, using a professional musician to try to back up some audiophile argument or another is an Appeal to....you know.

geoffkait,


I think you are 100% correct on both of those claims.

Your third claim is a little hard to decipher. I do not see what your sentence

"He was a musician, first oboe in National Symphony Orchestra, DC."

is an appeal to. It seems like a well-placed sentence to describe the circumstances and further reading.

People who play music and are good at it tend to be music lovers else they would not be very good. However listening to music and playing it are two different things, and not all music lovers play music.




Glupson, you disappoint me. Appeal to Authority. Hel-loo! Hey, that rhymed! Write Appeal to Authority on the blackboard 100 times.
glupson

When geoffkait claims to have identified a fallacy, this is as good as a guarantee that you have not used that fallacy.

(And of course your post contained no such fallacy).

Congratulations, the point you made has received the geoffkait seal of approval.

;-)