Progressive talk


I'm into the german krautrock and some people call it german progressive rock. Is there any difference or these are just two common things.
Any input from progressive and krautrock addicts is appreciated.
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i find krautrock more than a little bland, thus preferring sauerkrautrock. only found one cd so far, though. done by an amish group on kerosene guitar and dobro. -cfb
I'm no Krautrock expert but I believe it's fair to say it is seen on the more avant garde/experimental side of things and therefore (rightly or wrongly)more critically acclaimed and nowadays seen as influential on punk and post punk bands such as Magazine,The Fall etc and modern avant garde bands.
Standard Progressive rock covers a much wider range of bands and although a few were seen as avant garde/experimental most were considered more mainstream and/or rock based.
That's a very simplistic take on things but....you'll probably find few Audiogon members with Can or Neu albums but loads with Yes,Floyd etc...
And yes CFB has been drinking...........
Homemade (garage) sauerkrautrock is the best. If a bit harsh, it can be fused with applerock.

Other good fusions include sauerkrautundspareribsrock, blutwurstrock, or that perennial amish fave, schnitzundknepprock.

Check it all out at www.rock_around_da_crock.com. Their studio is located in Bird-In-Hand, Pennsylvania.

Will
...hmmm... that reminds me the discussion "Rap in high-end speakers".

Nice recipie, Will. Here is mine:

"Rock" sauerkraut best with straight vodka and a pickle and listen to Jonny Cash or Creedence.

Yes and Pink Floyd is a folk music and we all know about it. It's been popularized pretty fast and everyone knows them.

I realy want to find an A-Gon member that knows Can, Faust, Cluster for a temporary record exchange and/or burning onto CDs or cassettes.
I like those german synthesizer bands from the 70's when they were really interesting and unique. I'm guessing that by progressive rock though, you mean groups like amon duul/can/nektar/lucifers friend/and so forth.
I have the vinyl imports for most of that stuff of the above groups and find them a notch below the english bands but certainly better than the american groups that fit the same bill. Most of those albums glory days were say 69-75 and then the progressive groups all seem to have bandmembers leaving frequently and everything suffering as a consequence. If you don't have those early can or amon duul albums, prepare to spend some $$ to acquire them.
Not many people in the united states are familiar with any of these groups since they didn't tour here or have major labels with a publicity machine behind them. But that doesn't mean they aren't any good, you just have to go to it, as opposed to letting music come to you.
I like those german synthesizer bands from the 70's when they were really interesting and unique. I'm guessing that by progressive rock though, you mean groups like amon duul/can/nektar/lucifers friend/and so forth.
I have the vinyl imports for most of that stuff of the above groups and find them a notch below the english bands but certainly better than the american groups that fit the same bill. Most of those albums glory days were say 69-75 and then the progressive groups all seem to have bandmembers leaving frequently and everything suffering as a consequence. If you don't have those early can or amon duul albums, prepare to spend some $$ to acquire them.
Not many people in the united states are familiar with any of these groups since they didn't tour here or have major labels with a publicity machine behind them. But that doesn't mean they aren't any good, you just have to go to it, as opposed to letting music come to you.
Yes, I'm there artprint:
Can, Faust, Amon Dull, Cluster...
Send me a list if you want to sell some.
Are you from NY? That's basically the place where the progressive rock comes first into US before it gets to Colorado for example.
As far as German Prog goes Eloy-Ocean,Dawn, and Live and Grobschnitt-Solar Music Live and their 1st self titled are not to be missed as well as others by these Bands.All are now remastered.Krautrock to me is straight forward rock and roll with their Prog Bands on another level.The founding Fathers of Electronic and Space Music and not as commercial as Pink Floyd from Dark Side on.Prog Rock is still going strong all over the world with Internet Radio and many sites to buy from.Fans of Floyd,Yes,ELP,Tull,Early Genesis,King Crimson etc.{The Pioneers of Prog]will find they are just Scratching the Surface of Progressive Rock !
Be sure to come to Progday in Chapel Hill NC in September if you want see Kraan, one of the many fine Krautrock bands from the 70's.
Progressive rock= DREAM THEATER. they are the best in the business no band comes close to their ability and song writing skills Also their is a greman progressive rock band called VANDEN PLAS which is very good also. But Dream Theater is the best and they take what yes and rush did to an entirely diffrent level great vocals and fins musicianship. Listen to some sound clips at www.cdnow.com
Nothing for sale, I only acquire. I've lived coast to coast including ny and colorado among others. Actually, it was a music professer from the university that kind of steered me towards that full tilt, as opposed to moderate interest.
All those albums are definately available though, it's just a matter of the prices for them and their erratic nature; take can for example. Some of their stuff is real good but some of those albums w/ damo singing were mediocre at best. Geez, the story w/ that guy and why he was in the group was amazing. Same w/ cluster and they were a group that seemingly had more offshoot solo albums from those guys than actual cluster albums.
Some of those neu and michael rother albums are worth having as well as grobschnitt. Actually, they all are decent enough and what other region has done a better job w/ progressive since?
There were tons more english bands doing similar things during that timeframe and not just groups like king crimson and yes--try the gentle giant/matching mole/early soft machine/henry cow/etc.
I actually have some videos of these kinds of german groups and they were definately solid players with interesting ideas that was definately out of synch with what I consider the garbagio the record companies pushed in the U.S. from say 75 forwards. I tend to think you have similar feelings since amon duul is not a name you hear thrown around every day.
Nothing for sale, I only acquire. I've lived coast to coast including ny and colorado among others. Actually, it was a music professer from the university that kind of steered me towards that full tilt, as opposed to moderate interest.
All those albums are definately available though, it's just a matter of the prices for them and their erratic nature; take can for example. Some of their stuff is real good but some of those albums w/ damo singing were mediocre at best. Geez, the story w/ that guy and why he was in the group was amazing. Same w/ cluster and they were a group that seemingly had more offshoot solo albums from those guys than actual cluster albums.
Some of those neu and michael rother albums are worth having as well as grobschnitt. Actually, they all are decent enough and what other region has done a better job w/ progressive since?
There were tons more english bands doing similar things during that timeframe and not just groups like king crimson and yes--try the gentle giant/matching mole/early soft machine/henry cow/etc.
I actually have some videos of these kinds of german groups and they were definately solid players with interesting ideas that was definately out of synch with what I consider the garbagio the record companies pushed in the U.S. from say 75 forwards. I tend to think you have similar feelings since amon duul is not a name you hear thrown around every day.
Yep, the same thing I would say "Nothing for sale" or trade. These early CAN, Amon Duul records will die with me. I can also say that Gentle Giant and VanDerGraaf Generator are also in my "gourmet kitchen".
I do strongly believe that these bands didn't and currently don't give a $hit about being in synch with US record companies in the favor of producing their own designed work.
It's not krautrock, more like fishnchipsrock but Ozric Tentacles puts out some of the most tripped out and creative progressive rock I've ever heard.
Gotta love the Ozrics.

Robert
Well let me see,I went to the "Progfest" in Chapel Hill to see Thinking Plague,Nebelnest,and other proggly delights and to the "Progfest" in S.F. to see Buckethead,Bi Kyo Ran, Magma and some preferably forgotten performers that I might not have known to call "Prog" if I hadnt gone to the Progfest;so who cares what you call it. I can say without reservation that from Germany I definitely like to listen to Can,Kraan,Guru Guru,Data Direct,Die Knodel,Cluster,Irmin Schmidt(Can), and Embryo to name a few.Is it Krautrock or Prog? I dont know.Also good(not from Germany) are : Uz Jsme Doma (czech), Fermata(czech), Trettioriga Kriget(finland?), Pierre Vervloesem(belgium), X-Legged Sally(belgium), Tipographica(japan), Ruins(japan),Lacrymosa(japan), Volupuk(france), Octavo(france), Nekropsi(turkey), La Perra(mexico), High fidelity Orchestra(mexico), Massacre(england/usa)and of course the well known Soft Machine,King Crimson, Mahavisnu Orchestra, Van Der Graaf Generator,and Gentle Giant.Lets not forget the Mermen (crowd goes wild) from Santa Cruz, California(file under "surf").I prefer not to call this stuff "prog"(although I'm sure some of it is) .I left out a ton of stuff of course but....what was the question? Oh yeah,the krautrock - prog thing, I think there is a lot of grey area and opinion involved in these labels,categories.I just listen, and if I like it ...I keep it!
p.s.-i think the book"Crack in the Cosmic Egg" is all about the German Krautrock-Prog scene.It's available at Wayside Music.
Oh yeah ,How could I have forgotten Kollektiv (german)!Great stuff from the early 70's.Man we've got it made.
Anyone heard of Henry Cow? I just read a (new!?) review of them, looking for some other opinions.
Too late to my knowledge I've found out that Michael Karoli, the lead guitarist from CAN had died 11/17/2001 at the age of 53. I wish him Piece and Eternity.
Buy the Henry Cow -Leg End- (original mix) It's real good. can You cant go wrong with Frith and Cutler on there.Great complex ideas that are well put together.Forerunner of a lot of the stuff we listen to now.Also might try Aksak Maboul-"Un,Peu de L'dme des Bandits"-,and LA 1919-"Jouer,Spielen,to Play"-
Very sad about Michael Karoli.I stuck on "Future Days" in his honor.Ege Bamyasi will be next.We're very lucky to have had him around doing what he did so well.Would've been a big empty space without him,his work.
Hi Artprint.I enjoy Damo Suzuki's vocals very much.Never can understand what he's saying (or mis-pronouncing)adds to the experience if you ask me.He's also very cool (and funny).Helps me keep a smile on my face when I'm being cool.
I dont care how he got in the band.Look at David Lee Roth,(he had the van).
To all prog-krautrock addicts there is an announcement:
David Sylvian is comming to US. He will give his performances in different states arround May.
Marakentz,
That's the problem with labelling music-David Sylvian is neither of the genres described .........
Labeling music has only virtual meaning but in reality something you can call music and something you can't.
Davej857 is an extremely well informed consumer of German psycho active riffage and rightly states that labels and categories are trivial. The Crack in the Cosmic Egg book is a useful (but flawed) map if you want to check out some of the great warped rock that Germans pumped out from the mid sixties to the early 90's. Artprint's opinion of Damo Suzuki prevents him from absorbing Can's best work. Without Future Days, Ege Bamyasi, Tago Mago, or Soundtracks the Can experience would be much smaller.
PS- Get the Kollektiv stuff (not the red one) if you can find it.
Yes,the doctor told me to increase my riffage intake and to keep it steady.Who am I to argue with a professional.It's helped to keep things running smoothly ,although I have broken a few air guitars during intake. Speaking of well informed...Duanegoosen is the grandaddy of all things good and pure when it comes to the tunes! Thanks for turning me on to so much excellent music through the years droog.Duanegoosen,have you got any new "Progressive Music" recommendations that might have the endorphin releasing effects that I have come to expect from a goosen selection?I'm listening to Pataphoinie (french) as I(californian) type this.This is a disc that has been a pleasant surprise.I actually didnt think much of it at first,but with careful listening I've noticed similarities to Kollectiv and Fermata, maybe a little Tretioriga Kriget.It's real good. Hey Marakanetz,I've noticed elsewhere that your'e a Praxis fan.Me too.Got to see 'em at Slim's in S.F.... Metatron is probably my favorite,alternating with Transmutation.It's going to be tough for Buckethead to match the excellence of that Praxis stuff.He's still young and full of potential.What a flamethrower guitarst that guy is.I like Buckethead's discs Giant Robot (on NTT,not the Japanese giant robot)and the Day of the Robot(w/ Bill Laswell!)and Colma(if there are ladies present)His "I love my parents" themes are always great,appearing on several discs.
The Tzadik label has a bunch of great looking releases out also.I think I'm going to have to spend some money there,unless a trip to Amoeba Music should materialize....eh,mr.goosen?
A few of my favs are: Porcupine Tree, Camel, Eloy, Tull, Gentle Giant, Ashra, Barclay James Harvest, T. Dream, Flower Kings, Steve Hackett, Sonus Umbra, P. Floyd, Can, Mr. Quimby's Beard, Steve Hillage(more psych I suppose), Solaris. I know I left a lot out, can't remember, getting old. Of course I listen to other types of music also.
Malcolm Mooney and Damo Suzuki will be performing at Knittingfactory tomorrow -- no $hit. Getting the ticket is a whole different issue.
Anyone heard Damo Suzuki's P.R.O.M.I.S.E. mega collection?
Share the experience. Is it all cool there?
Anybody check out the Neu! reissues? All three are really good. Elements of Kraftwerk but actually sounding more like Can. Excellent.
Yeah, just picked up the 1st Neu (w/Hallo Gallo), it's a beutifully crude buzz. Another great one (and sonically a little jucier) w/ the same guitarist (Rother) would be Harmonia-Deluxe. It's really kind of a Cluster record w/lazy lysergic guitar and some drums from Mani (Guru Guru). If you haven't checked out Cluster, Grosses Wasser is a pretty fun place to start. Anybody know if Kraan is really coming to the states this summer?