A problem with AC Power you may not have considered.


My posting is not about a stereo system but it is related to AC Power, from which all stereos draw power. Read on, I am sure you will find this interesting. I certainly did and it caused me to rethink and replan AC Power to my stereo.

At my real job as an electrical engineer, I manage a cross-disciplinary engineering team for a large energy company.   We make large, residential green energy management systems, a size that borders between most large homes and utility companies. A few months back, we released a new product to the 230VAC single-phase market (Australia, Europe, etc.) and recently introduced the same product to the 240VAC split phase market (USA, Canada, etc.).   In addition to a slew of UL, IEC, IEEE, CSA, TUV, and other safety codes, we also had to meet FCC Class B emissions (which all your digital audio equipment must also meet) and also meet FCC Susceptibility requirements (which digital audio does not have to meet, unfortunately).  

Since the two products are almost identical, I thought we could leverage what we learned for the 230VAC unit onto the 240VAC unit.   Well, this is where the impact of grid power to our stereos comes into our interest.  

The emissions requirement is of two parts, of which you may be familiar. One is radiated emission, which is the noise the product broadcasts into the air. The second part is conducted emissions, which is the noise the product injects onto the power lines and runs throughout your house and probably into your neighbors as well.  

The 230VAC unit passed emissions, which I expected as we did a lot of design work to make it pass.   The conducted part was a concern, since that injected noise is from the equipment our vendor produces, not something we designed in house. Well, when the certified testing house tested conducted emissions, it failed.   A couple of weeks of debug later, at 2K$ per day, the problem was solved when I suggested they test with the grid connection running through 8 feet of steel conduit, since all installations have at least 8 feet of conduit.

Fast-forward six months to the 240VAC testing, which took place here in the USA. Surprisingly, the unit failed conducted emissions, even though we used the same 8 feet of steel conduit.   Another week of debug, again at 2K$ per day, we stopped testing since it was clear a new design is needed to fix it. I designed a 50 Ampere Balanced LEMP Filter that had over 50-dBm isolation in the affected frequency range.   Problem solved.   So, why did 8 feet of conduit fix the problem one time and not the next? A good question.  

I took the same 8 AWG THHN wire we used to connect the unit to the grid, ran it through the same 8 feet of 1 ½ inch steel conduit, and rented some high frequency test equipment. In the conduit we had two 8 AWG wires for Line 1 and Line 2, one 8 AWG wire for Neutral, and another 8 AWG for Earth ground.   I ran a bandwidth test from Line 1 to Neutral and tied the conduit and Earth wire to earth, while the other Line wire floated. The test started at 60 Hz, which I referenced as 0 dBm and I ran the test all the way to 30 MHz.   The generator produced 10Vrms, the level I checked at each step, and fed a 50-Ohm load.   To my great surprise, I had a 2-dBm rise at 10 MHz where it began to roll off and was only 2 dBm down at 30 MHz, the limit of the test generator.   In other words, that length of pipe and THHN wire had a bandwidth of +/- 1 dBm from 60 Hz to 30 MHz!   Whoa! We are allowing a ton of injected noise into our systems!

To prove that, I grabbed the power supply from an analog stereo amplifier and fed the test signal through the cord, fuse, transformer, and measured the bandwidth on the secondary.   In spite of a UL/CSA approved transformer, it was surprisingly transparent to the test signal.   Throughout the test spectrum, it was never more than 6 dBm down and it peaked in a couple of areas, too.  

Our homes usually don’t have grounded conduit, what most homes have is Romex wire.   That stuff is transparent to radiated emissions and we live in a world of radiated emissions. Think cell phones, FM and AM radio, TV broadcasts, all the communication frequencies, plus who knows what we have for the dirty noise injected by electric motors. Think your fridge, your AC unit, your furnace, ceiling fans, light dimmers, electric vehicles (that is the reason they don’t usually come with an AM radio these days!), the list can go on for a long time.

For my stereo system here at the house, I built a smaller version of the LEMP filter, added additional suppression, along with 20,000 Amps of surge protection. I am also installing a dedicated earth ground as well.   However, you don’t have to home brew – you can purchase equipment that meets the local safety codes and is LAB certified to meet multiple suppression standards. These units have strong filters in them to clean up line power. There are replacement AC line cords on the market that contain RF suppression.   I don’t suggest you get a new mortgage just to buy AC noise suppression equipment or new line cords, but I do suggest you do something to kill those RF demons.  

Look for equipment that has at least 30 dB of suppression from 100 KHz to 15 or 20 MHz. Thirty to forty dB is the range where most emission problems fade away, so that is a good starting point.   Some equipment has lightening suppression as well; look for an IEEE spec stated in joules of energy, the more the better with a test pulse of 8/20 microseconds.   Don’t be afraid to stack some of the equipment in series.  

The lighting in your listening room can also matter a great deal. Stick with plain, old school incandescent bulbs; avoid the CFL’s, LED’s, neon’s, light dimmers, and other lights that require power supplies to run.   Incandescent bulbs are very quiet, which is why they appear regularly in emission anechoic chambers.   Although digital equipment is less sensitive than analog equipment, it is not immune to susceptibility.   Vacuum tube equipment usually has an edge over solid state, too.  

I hope what I wrote is of help to you in your quest for improved sound.  

Robert
128x128spatialking
Yes, the Furman is very similar to the Equi-Tech unit and no permit is required to install it, a most definite plus.   I am sure it is a solid unit but like all balanced 120VAC units, there is no safety code approval for this.   The datasheet did state a NRTL tested it but it did not state to what UL, IEEE, CSA, or ASTM code. 

If your equipment can be run from 240VAC split phase, such as our USA power, then you can have a UL recognized balanced power source along with NEMA connectors.  Our 240VAC is a balanced power line and twice the power available at 20A.  One would still need to dig up filtering and surge suppression though.
A reputable company like Furman is probably fine without a UL certification on the back, as opposed to a much smaller unknown company.
If you are going to combine shunt with series, the usual way I recommend is with a surge protector in the electrical panel, and series closer to the components.

The problem shunt mode filters have (among others) is that the very high currents + some resistance in the other conductor can actually cross-contaminate a very high voltage to the other side. That’s just one part of the problem. The other is the effective time is still slow, and they are disposable.

Honestly I consider these types of surge protectors useless for high end gear. I remember working in a building near a sub-station. For some reason the substation had switching problems about the same time of day. About 30 of these flamed simultaneously one day! They did not catch fire, but they could have ignited nearby office supplies. The building electrician was so alarmed he collected them all and threw them away.

Therefore, putting them as close to the service entrance as possible is ideal, and put a series mode near your precious gear.

But for those who are after the cleanest power, shunt mode is useless for anything below 100kHz or higher. I’d much rather have the series mode protection that starts around 3 kHz.

While I like the idea of balanced power, it's also relatively high impedance, and as has been shown, can pass all sorts of noise.
I am not sure what you mean by shunt mode filters - you mean like TVS diodes and MOV's?   If so, yes, they are sacrificial and will blow if they are overpowered and aren't designed properly.   UL1449 approval means they won't burst into flames and should die harmlessly.  The problem is, they will die and you may not realize it!
I don't believe the torridal transformer in the Furman unit is high impedance. I've designed torridal isolation units before and they supply surge power quite readily.   It is higher impedance, though, than plain copper wire.
I agree with everything else you said, though.   Picking a cutoff frequency for the low pass RF filter as well as the design topology is as much philosophy and art form as it is science!   I probably wouldn't pick a Fc lower than 3KHz - remember you have a Power Factor and harmonics on the grid to deal with.    However, the ones I built are usually around 8KHz to 10 KHz, so that isn't too far from 3.

erik_squires
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The problem shunt mode filters have (among others) is that the very high currents + some resistance in the other conductor can actually cross-contaminate a very high voltage to the other side."

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about you're claim defies all reason, logic, and science but I guess it helps make you feel important when you issue such proclamations, dictates, and theories.
That Furman is a good looking unit, I'd buy it if I had $3100 to spend on line isolation and conditioning.   At least it has very good specs!  
spatialking OP
My posting is not about a stereo system but it is related to AC Power, from which all stereos draw power. Read on, I am sure you will find this interesting. I certainly did and it caused me to rethink and replan AC Power to my stereo.

>>>>Not all audio systems are powered by house AC power. Exhibit A - my system. No more AC power, no more AC ground, no more power cords. No more interconnects, no more fuses, no more big honking capacitors or transformers. No more speakers, no more speaker cables. No more pencils, no more books, no more teacher’s dirty looks. 👀

If thy eye offend thee cut it out.

There are many ways to skin a cat. - old audiophile axiom
I am not sure what you mean by shunt mode filters - you mean like TVS diodes and MOV’s? If so, yes, they are sacrificial and will blow if they are overpowered and aren’t designed properly. UL1449 approval means they won’t burst into flames and should die harmlessly. The problem is, they will die and you may not realize it!

Shunt, or parallel protection, is achieved by connecting AC lines together. The idea is, if the hot side has a surge, the shunt components will short across two or more lines, sending current down the ground and/or neutral wires. This type of filter creates a short, and therefore a current rush. It’s efficacy is highly dependent on the resistance of the lines shunting to.

Series mode protection is in line with the AC hot. Should a surge occur, the high speed nature will force the voltage to appear across the primary inductor, which will LIMIT current. It does not need a low impedance path to ground or neutral.

The other issue is speed. A series mode protector is ALWAYS on. It is essentially a glorified low pass filter. It is inline with all the AC voltages at all times. There is no lag time to turn on.

All shunt mode protection has lag time, and since damaging surges are those with very fast rise times, less effective.

Shunt mode filters are very much limited by law in how much capacitance they can put between lines, this is why they tend to not work until FM frequencies, around 100 kHz.

Series mode has a lower end -3dB point around 3 kHz, in what we call the "upper mid-range" or perhaps lower treble.

erik_squires:The problem shunt mode filters have (among others) is that the very high currents + some resistance in the other conductor can actually cross-contaminate a very high voltage to the other side."

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about you're claim defies all reason, logic, and science but I guess it helps make you feel important when you issue such proclamations, dictates, and theories.


Hi Clearthink,

Pretty basic circuit analysis, let me know if you want me to walk you through it.

Sorry that I ran through it so quickly.

Best,
E