Some thoughts on record cleaning machines and alternatives


As many of you know I have some experience using record cleaning machines.  This is not, repeat NOT, a discussion about what might be the best record cleaning machine.  Frankly I neither know nor care.  What this is about is the approach that you might take depending on your needs.  Let me start by first addressing the types of record collectors that might need to consider a record cleaning machine (RCM). 

The audiophile with priority on sound quality

The record collector with priority on the music itself with SQ of secondary importance

Obviously there could be some who are both, but to keep this organized, we'll deal with the two types separately.  The audiophile who is after best SQ possible should buy the best editions of recordings of interest and unquestionably will be best served with an ultra sonic RCM.  Which one?  I dunno.  From what I can learn all US machines achieve similar results sonically, but there have been issues with longevity of some brands.  I bought a HumminGuru, and one year in of moderate use my machine now needs a new water pump and solenoid valve.  Customer support is excellent, but longevity is a question mark.  By contrast I have been using VPI machines since 1986 and have never needed anything other than new brushes for scrubbing the records.  VPI machines are just about bullet proof.

The record collector, with a collection spanning decades and many old records of variable condition is more likely to be happier with a vacuum machine.  These are more suited to removing the grunge, finger prints and what not that old records seem to accumulate.  Also, old records usually have small scratches, wear from repeated play, or from being subjected ot an old or worn stylus etc and no RCM can fix those problems anyway.  So, the vacuum RCM is just as effective as the US for all practical purposes on old records.  Also, if you collect and clean old records in batches, the vacuum RCM is considerably faster in use.  For those who value their time the vacuum RCM has added appeal.

Next, I want to mention the fact that not everybody needs a RCM.  There are manual washing machines like the Spin Clean or the new EZ Washer from HumminGuru that do a terrific job and are more than adequate for the occasional record cleaning chore.  These should also be considered for the US RCM owner who runs into the occasional batch of old, dirty records because the US machines do not do as good a job of scrubbing off things like finger prints.  So, a first clean with one of these manual washers, followed by a run through the US RCM makes a lot of sense.

Saving the best for last, for those who want to take a deep dive, I want to recommend Neil Antinn's book, which is available for free on line and is the definitive resource on the subject.  Here is the link; thevinylpress.com/precision-aqueous-cleaning-of-vinyl-records-3rd-edition/

I hope this is useful and let me know how you do.

billstevenson

@billstevenson 

we can at least have an intelligent conversation

Great!

Why not go further than the rather puny airflows delivered by a vacuum machine, and go the other way.  Yes, high pressure compressed air that has been filtered to remove dust.  I’ve never tried it on wet records, but it works a treat on brake dust and even dust-loaded sheepskin seat covers after an outback trip!

It has incredible (credible?) drying power as it blows most water away and dramatically increases airflow to dry the rest.

I am in favour of water as a solvent / conductor of electricity especially when wetting agents are used.  I am against scrubbing or contact cleaning, and like the idea of minute particles being dislodged by local implosions of air-bubbles created by ultrasonics, if that is how ultrasonics really works?

Canberra water is remarkably scale-free, since it percolates down pretty directly from the pristine Snowy Mountains, so air drying seems to work for me.  Downstream locations like Adelaide are not so lucky - they get the detergent residues from Canberra’s wastewater (including treated sewage).  Half the time, the mighty Murray-Murrumbidgee River system evaporates before it even reaches the sea.

It seems like you are on the verge of an announcement for a new product Richard.  Hopefully your high pressure compressed airflow blowing on the wetted record can be contained?  I can't wait to learn more about it.  Will you be bottling up that mountain water as part of the secret sauce?  

@seymour-krelborn I feel your pain.

I also took a bath with the $4K Audio Desk, which to their credit, took the gold medal in the Worst Made, Worst Supported Products category of my audio-nut-case journey.

I have very little experience with cleaning and will not pretend any thoughts on the subject. That said, surely you all know how to hear the best quality sound on my system. 99% of the time I ask AI what pressing audiophiles think has the "best sound possible", AI tells me, "first UK pressing". I'm talking even with many remasters, remixes, whatever. I guess Gray and Grundman need to be immediately fired.

All I want is to do is enjoy the music. All I hear is seek what you cannot find, though if you do, you'll be unable to clean it to hear it, anyway. So nevermind?

What am I missing?

It's all driving me to Spotify premium remasters, which sound incredible to my ears. AI knows nothing.