Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?


Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?

I'm currently trialing the NAD M23 (1st gen. Eigentakt-based), and I find it intriguing enough to want to understand it better — which means understanding the broader sonic landscape of class D. So I'm crowd-sourcing.

In a recent exchange, the estimable Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere Music Systems) made two comments that stopped me cold. For those who missed it, here's what he said:

"IME, class D amps vary in sound more than tube amps, which is to say, quite a lot."

"IMO there is a bigger difference between various class D amps than you hear between various tube amps. IOW just because you heard one class D amp says nothing about how the next one might sound."

Link: https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2885828

As I think through this more carefully, these are genuinely important claims. My own experience with tube amps confirms that they produce audibly distinct characters across topologies and designs. If Ralph is right and class D exceeds that range, then generalizing from one class D experience to another is even more hazardous than I assumed.

One specific question for Audiogon members:

If you have a Class D amp or have compared class D amplifiers, how would you describe their character(s)?

Here are some criteria I use:

  1. Frequency balance — Is the tonal response even across bass, mids, and treble, or does it favor certain regions?
  2. High-frequency texture — Are the highs extended and smooth, or edgy, grainy, and fatiguing?
  3. Bass definition — Is the low end tight and articulate, or loose and bloated?
  4. Midrange character — Does the midrange feel present and natural, or recessed and thin?
  5. Transient speed — Does the amp respond quickly to dynamic attacks, or does it sound sluggish and rounded?
  6. Dynamic range — Does it scale convincingly from quiet passages to loud ones, or compress the difference?
  7. Soundstage width and depth — Does it create a convincing three-dimensional image, or sound flat and narrow?
  8. Image specificity — Are instruments and voices placed precisely, or do they blur and wander?
  9. Background noise floor — Is the silence between notes actually silent, or is there grain, haze, or hash?
  10. Long-term listenability — After an extended session, do you want to keep listening, or has something been quietly fatiguing you?

If you can include relevant system context — room, speakers, preamp — please do. Those variables will help me interpret what the amp itself is contributing.

I'm less interested in rankings than in understanding what Ralph mentioned, namely the [vast] range of sonic signatures class D is capable of. Eigentakt, Hypex, Pascal, Purifi, GaN-based, etc. — all fair game.

Price is no constraint here — I'm interested in the full range of what's out there.

hilde45

"sounds like a tube amp" is an interesting statement because every tube amp I've owned, including various input/output tube combinations - all sounded different.  

Hearing a few of my buddies tube amps, I felt some of my own Class A/AB solid state amps sounded more "tube like" than their own tube amps did. Go figure. 

Exactly!  I was about to post: Define tube-like.

Many high-end tube amps these days are praised precisely for their many qualities that remind the reviewer of solid state.

I can't wade through the myriad previous posts above, but my take is that the best Class D GaN chipped-amps, such at Atmasphere sells, is the new norm and standard of excellent for stereo amplification.  I have heard the Atmasphere amps at Axpona and they were sensational.  

@whitestix  I can’t wade through the myriad previous posts above, but my take is that the best Class D GaN chipped-amps, such at Atmasphere sells, is the new norm and standard of excellent for stereo amplification.  I have heard the Atmasphere amps at Axpona and they were sensational.  

Was this at last year’s Axpona in the Popori Electrostatics speakers room by chance?

-if yes, were you able to confirm which amps were actually playing when you heard the system that day?

Following up, noting that Ralphs ClassD amps were on the floor, [you can see it in the show videos for that room] and there was a Coda solid state power amp connected and powered on center of the rack in that same room Popori room. Worth checking if bi-amping and what was actually being played at Axpona fwiw. Asking around some, no confirmation yet so far.  Would be good to know, perhaps.

 

@whitestix 

my take is that the best Class D GaN chipped-amps, such at Atmasphere sells, is the new norm and standard of excellent for stereo amplification.  I have heard the Atmasphere amps at Axpona and they were sensational.  

Thanks for commenting. This has been my hope as well, and this thread has my experiences in trying out various Class D amps to see how they compare to one another, to my tube amps, and to two Class A amps. I'm keen to try out the Atmasphere to see if they beat or equal tubes and Class A, for my ears and taste.

I'm curious about your take on the amps – which Class D GaN chipped amps have you heard, what did you compare them to, and did you manage to keep variables (room, system, listening position) constant when you did? In other words, how did you arrive at your take on these amps as the new norm and standard? Thanks again for posting!