# Would a ARC ph5 have enough gain for a Lyra Titan

Hi.........Has anyone got a Lyra Titan i going into a ARC -ph5/ref 3?? has the ph5 got enough gain so that it does not have to be turned to 90% of its control setting ?? It seems that this makes the cartridge lose some life and air ?? Any info would be appreciated.
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 03-05-2009 3:37pmThe Titan i has a output of .5mv. The ARC PH5 has a gain of 57.5db. That results in an output of 375mv. You should be more than fine. 03-05-2009 4:10pmYes, that's enough. 03-05-2009 4:49pmThe gain of the ARC PH5 is pretty healthy, It's the 12db gain of the ARC Reference preamp that might be a problem. 03-05-2009 8:27pmI don't see a problem. There is a nifty formula from TAS which says that the needed gain = 20Log(V1/V2) where V1 is the voltage needed to drive the amp to a reasonable level (typically somewhere around 1.0 volts) and V2 is the cartridge output, in this case .5mv (=.0005v). Plug in the formula and you get a desired gain around 66db. If I understand the specs mentioned in the above posts, the gain would be additive, and 57.5 + 12 = 69 db, just fine. For comparison, I run a Benz MC20E2L (also a .5 mv mc cartridge) directly into my ARC SP-8 which has 60 db of gain in the phono stage, and at a good listening volume my pre-amp gain is right around 11:30-12:00, right where it is supposed to be, so in my experience (feeding fairly insensitive Maggies) 60 db gain is sufficient. 03-05-2009 10:54pmI tend to think that there's not enough gain in the system for the Titan. First, Lyra rates their cartridges at 5 cm/s versus the typical 3.54 cm/s. That would knock down the input to 0.35mv and with the 12 db from the ref 3, you would be outputing about 1V at full throttle. If that's enough, really depends on your amp, speakers and what type of music you listen to. I personally don't like being in a position where my source does not have enough output to drive the amp to full output or beyond. I think dynamics get compromised otherwise. The typical input sensitivity in todays amp's is about 2V for full output. Some less, some more. In my setup with 66db of gain, I can drive a Atma-sphere MA-1 to a whopping 3 watts. Amplifier power also plays a role. Big difference driving a 60 watter to half output versus a 450 watt beast.The bottom line is that there is no definitive answer. 03-06-2009 12:32amYou guys are right. Thinking back, would really depend on the rest of the system. But I know this guy whose system comprises of Lyra Skala fed into an ARC ref 3/ph7/ref 110/ Wilson Watt-puppy. He does complain about the gain, pointing to the ref 3 as his suspect( he had no complaints about it when he was using the ref 2). The ref 3 has one hell of a power supply storage beefier than their smallest amp. It might just look uncomfortable seeing the numbers so high on the display screen.