Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?


Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?

I'm currently trialing the NAD M23 (1st gen. Eigentakt-based), and I find it intriguing enough to want to understand it better — which means understanding the broader sonic landscape of class D. So I'm crowd-sourcing.

In a recent exchange, the estimable Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere Music Systems) made two comments that stopped me cold. For those who missed it, here's what he said:

"IME, class D amps vary in sound more than tube amps, which is to say, quite a lot."

"IMO there is a bigger difference between various class D amps than you hear between various tube amps. IOW just because you heard one class D amp says nothing about how the next one might sound."

Link: https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2885828

As I think through this more carefully, these are genuinely important claims. My own experience with tube amps confirms that they produce audibly distinct characters across topologies and designs. If Ralph is right and class D exceeds that range, then generalizing from one class D experience to another is even more hazardous than I assumed.

One specific question for Audiogon members:

If you have a Class D amp or have compared class D amplifiers, how would you describe their character(s)?

Here are some criteria I use:

  1. Frequency balance — Is the tonal response even across bass, mids, and treble, or does it favor certain regions?
  2. High-frequency texture — Are the highs extended and smooth, or edgy, grainy, and fatiguing?
  3. Bass definition — Is the low end tight and articulate, or loose and bloated?
  4. Midrange character — Does the midrange feel present and natural, or recessed and thin?
  5. Transient speed — Does the amp respond quickly to dynamic attacks, or does it sound sluggish and rounded?
  6. Dynamic range — Does it scale convincingly from quiet passages to loud ones, or compress the difference?
  7. Soundstage width and depth — Does it create a convincing three-dimensional image, or sound flat and narrow?
  8. Image specificity — Are instruments and voices placed precisely, or do they blur and wander?
  9. Background noise floor — Is the silence between notes actually silent, or is there grain, haze, or hash?
  10. Long-term listenability — After an extended session, do you want to keep listening, or has something been quietly fatiguing you?

If you can include relevant system context — room, speakers, preamp — please do. Those variables will help me interpret what the amp itself is contributing.

I'm less interested in rankings than in understanding what Ralph mentioned, namely the [vast] range of sonic signatures class D is capable of. Eigentakt, Hypex, Pascal, Purifi, GaN-based, etc. — all fair game.

Price is no constraint here — I'm interested in the full range of what's out there.

hilde45

I think comparing Class D (Eigentakt v.1) to Pass Labs in a system optimized for the latter might cause misleading conclusions. Could it be that the Pass Labs are slightly colored -- more beautiful than reality -- and that the NAD was more neutral? That has been my impression from listening to both in my system, and it would make the Eigentakt amps sound wrong when compared directly to the Pass.

Not sure what to say. The system is not optimized for Pass Labs amp – it's just the system I have. One of my amps is Pass. The other is Quicksilver. A third is Dynaco ST-35. These are the amps I have formed opinions about. The NAD gets dropped in and nothing else changes. That's the experiment. Do the amps sound different – yes, and that's what I'm assessing. It's not that they sound "wrong" because I'm not looking for them to sound like the Pass. But they were shouty on my system. 

Possible what is described as “shouty” could also be called “edge”, which is a common audio term to describe sound in a certain high frequency range.  That can be an attribute of the finest amps yet at the same time some ears may find it too much and others find it makes the music more exiting and engaging.  

It’s all good as long as we are not talking about distortion,  which can happen very easily even in very good gear if not in good operating condition or even if simply involved in a bad system integration of components,  for example. 

It’s just the way of the world that people hear and react differently to sound.  Age alone can have a huge effect.  Younger ears will tend to also be better ears “technically” hence more sensitive in ways older ears are not. 
 

We are fortunate to have more good quality choices than ever these days, at least when it comes to hifi gear. 

All amplifiers of any classes obey the inevitable  trade- off  law implied between electronics,physical acoustics and psycho-acoustics...

There is  limits, born from these inevitable trade-off choices,  to the critical validation score, which may be viewed as:  out of any acoustics (material acoustics+psycho-acoustics) parameters, or immersed in a specified set of acoustics parameters.

Then what about our specific psycho-acoustics history and biases? 

Then what about the optimization process powerful impact or absence ? 

It is the way i interpreted the OP impressions. 

 

«The cherry can make or maybe did not make the cake»--Groucho Marxcool

Audiophile know thyself which is related to physician heal thyself…. Excellent thread and emotional intelligence by the OP