SQ Comparison of 3 streamers

keep in mind the sound quality differences between streaming using a native streamer app, Roon, or Qobuz / Tidal Connect. Each streamer in your list may give you multiple different sonic signatures just by changing the streaming method. 

I don’t know about Roon since I don’t use it. But between the native app and QC (for example), I don’t hear any tonal shift. Did you?

What I do hear, as noted previously, is that QC sounds a bit better to my ears than all the native apps for all brands of streamers I own, except Volumio. I’m kind of hoping someone has a good explanation for it.  The internal signal processing of different apps seems to make a difference.

... in the following order, AQ, iFi, Mytek;

PC:  300/550/8  (psec)

Volumio Rivo:  135/18/10

Lumin (U2x):  124/10/8

Thank you for the information, @mdalton.  Rivo plus has improved MEMS-based (no matter what that is) clock over the standard CO in Rivo, which should provide lower jitter, better frequency stability, and less susceptibility to temperature variation and ageing.  I am not surprised if the measurements can further approach to $10k U2x.  That is certainly reflected in the listening experience.

Not to beat a dead horse, but jitter is largely a solved problem for most serious companies, so while I think it’s great that the Rivo+ improved the clock and lowered jitter further, I am virtually certain any differences in sound between Rivo and Rivo + that either of us might hear is not due to lowered jitter.  No idea about the other factors however, which is why I think this is an area of the industry where marketing hype can really get out of control.  

We haven’t even talked about your DAC btw, which is multiples more important to the sound you hear.  Look at the numbers for the Mytek vs. the iFi - 0 added jitter from any streamer, which probably means signal is reclocked.  My personal view is that signal to noise ratio, which is really easy to measure, is far more important to what you’re hearing than jitter, and one could do the exact same thing there as Paul Miller does for jitter, i.e., before and after SNR ratios to see how much noise is added by a streamer.  Miller has actually done some of that, but only episodically, so you can’t put together a comprehensive table across streamers and dacs.  A lost opportunity in my view.

@lanx0003 I no longer have the Aurender N200, the last streamer with native software I used to compare Roon, native Conductor and Qobuz connect. I don’t have experience with any of the streamers you listed. However, when comparing native app to Q Connect I heard more refined presentation from the Aurender’s conductor app. Q Connect has a slightly raw and more in your face type of presentation. Works great with rock music. 
My impressions of Roon vs. Qobuz or Tidal connect is along the same lines. Exception is Roon typically sounds worse than the native streamer app based on my experience with Auralic, Lumin and Aurender. 
 

I have a Meitner MA3i DAC now that has a built in network card that makes it a Roon endpoint and allows for Qobuz and Tidal connect. I use Roon 90% of the time but mix in Qobuz and Tidal connect as well. This setup eliminated the N200. 
 

@mdalton  As an end user, you can still judge whether you can hear the effect of jitter. The audible noise floor threshold is around –110 dB. For a 10 ps jitter from a high-end DAC, this is equivalent to approximately –118 dB at 20 kHz (=f)

20log⁡10(2π⋅f⋅jitter) (jitter in ps)

and is likely completely inaudible. If the jitter is around or above 25 ps, its effect could become perceptible, particularly on a very high-end, sensitive system.

Jitter is one thing, but as both you and I have pointed out, electrical noise is equally important. High-end gear including the power supply, is usually measured in  the level of microvolts (µV). For example, the T8 demonstrates outstanding measurements down to 30 µV within the chassis (not sure if in full load?).  I wish all independent reviewers would expand their measurements to include this area.

Other measurements, such as SNR, THD+N, and dynamic range, are more standard, and I generally refer to manufacturer-published data. ASR usually provides these measurements for verification, and I have periodically found them to be consistent with the manufacturer specs. If such data is missing for gear you are interested in, it might be a lost opportunity for you.