Well agree to disagree. You’ve never been in my room….I never said they play to 20Hz but are rated to 20Hz means they are capable of that.
Wgat does your amp have anything to do with this?
Just confused by your replies.
Enjoy the music.
How do small woofers produce large bass?
Hi All,
I am looking at loudspeakers... I currently own the Arendal 1723 THX Monitors. 2 8" woofers each. I listen to probably 80% home theater and 20% pure two-channel music of all sorts. I am contemplating upgrading the speakers, and there are a number that I am very interested in. The Arendals are killer for music and home theater. In fact crazy amazing at home theater. I have also 2 SVS SB-3000 subs.
But as we all know, wanting to upgrade. blah blah ad nauseum. :)
And most everything I’m looking at has 6.5" bass drivers, usually 2 per speaker. I am looking at the Acoustic Energy Corinium, the KEF R11 Meta, the Dali Opticon 8 MKII, and the PSB T600.
I have a fear that the bass will be plenty for two-channel music, but won’t have that bad-ass slam of the Arendal’s dual 8" drivers. So my question is sort of a scientific one or a physics one. I am baffled as to how the 6.5" drivers in all of these new speakers are going to produce home theater sized bass. I’ve watched every video, read every article about those 4 contenders (above) - and everything/everybody says essentially "no worries, the woofers are lighter and faster, and since there are two of them, they make a great deal of bass. I just think I’m not seeing the "science" or "physics" of that. Like how are these 6.5" drivers going to handle something incredibly powerful/dynamic (bomb blasts/gun shots/thunder/explosions etc etc??? I’m afraid I’ll be let down by something like the PSB T600’s or the KEF R11 Metas when head to head with the dual 8" drivers in my Arendals. I’m hoping people can assure me and/or run through the science.... thanks to all. Oh, and yes, I do cross over to my two subs at 60Hz.
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Just like @bartsw and his 802s, I had the same problem with not enough deep bass from my B&W 803s. Two powered subs, crossed over at 80 Hz, took care of the problem. Bass. That's what subs are for. |
I think it's very sad main speakers have decreased the diameter of their bass drivers over the past 20 years. Ultimately this led to creating a subwoofer market. Apparently to get great sound you have to buy a pair of subwoofers because the main speakers no longer have adequate base. It's a marketing gimmick. Subwoofers can make really good tables. |
You mentioned you need power to make bass.
Some guys are suckered to spend 90% of the budget on subs for 0.006% of the bandwidth (120Hz/20,000).
I’d hate to see people reading stuff like this and spend their money thinking full range speakers can replace subs and find out it’s not true. I still advocate full range + subs is the way to go.
I also can’t stand the girls in AVS and ASR who think a 650" subwoofer and a 1" speaker is high quality music. To them, SPL is quality bass. It’s physics and science they say. That’s like saying a 650" subwoofer cone is quicker, faster and more detailed than a beryllium cone. It’s grade F science. |
I never mentioned anything about power is needed for bass, you must be confusing your posts and which your reading. Most subs today are powered subs so they have their own amps, usually class D amps in the case of SVS. My SB2000 are rated at 500 watts RMS and 1100 watts peak, more than enough. Although I do agree that subs are generally needed to get a full frequency range performance. Many subs don’t even rate to 20Hz, but about 30Hz is where they are rated. The internal xover of the SB2000 only goes to 50Hz, for me to use them and integrate them properly I need an external crossover that will go to 20Hz setting. If I use them with my Canton Vento 100, I’ll be cancelling some low frequencies and just cause myself issues. I’ve tried for years to like certain speakers, especially recently when I was speaker shopping, but none of them gave me the low end slam, details that I was looking for. Not until I demo the Canton Vento 100. Regardless, in general whatever speaker you get, to get deep sub 25Hz full range you will need subs. I stopped reading ASR years ago, as he (they) are 1000% about specs, not about how the gear sounds or system synergy. |
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