Recommend an amp + pre for ESL 57s and a new turntable (way out of my league)


Hi all, longtime lurker now starting my semi-serious venture into all of this. I was recently gifted a pair of Quad ESL 57s, a Well Tempered Labs Amadeus GTA turntable, and a Miyajima Labs Shilabe cartridge. I need a preamp and amplifier for the system on a budget of ~$1000 - $1500. I currently have an old Harman Kardon Stereo Festival (TA-230) receiver, which is just a cool piece of old, barely working, shits-n-gigs gear I used to drive some junky speakers with in college. It hasn't been plugged in in two years and even if its still works, I don't think it's a great match for my system. What would you recommend? I am most interested in listening to some old mono blues, jazz, and folk LPs I have, and I imagine most of the records I collect in the future will be similar (I know I have a stereo cart, which I've always understood to be fine for this?).

Some guiding questions:

- Seems like a favorite for the ESLs are a pair of heathkit UA-1s. Another that I'm seeing well recommended is the Dyna st35. Thoughts? Does it make sense to spend ~$700 - $1000 on a nice amp and get something more basic for the pre in the $400 range? (Rega fono??)

- Should I get a nicer preamp to match my cart and go with something more basic wrt amplification? Not sure what is good in the way of cheaper(?) amps to drive these speakers.

- In the event that I stretch my budget and wait a bit between buying one and the other (to save back up lol), would I get more out of a ~$1200 amp and the cheapest preamp that will work, or a ~$1200 pre and the cheapest amp that will work? What would the cheapest preamp and amp that "will work" be in the meantime? What would be in the $1200 range for each, respectively?

Thank you if you took the time to read this! I will be cleaning the dust off the Quads in the meantime.

arg6442

@imintohifi  Indeed. I use modified and refurbished EICO HT-35 (monoblocs) under each ’57. They are superb and respond well to good tubes.

@pindac Surprised to hear that. I tried mine on 4,8, and 16 and found 4 muffled and distorted, while 8 ohms was merely lifeless. 16 ohms is perfect. Maybe theirs were in series and yours are wired in parallel,

I hear the 57’s as a Stacked Array used at 16 Ohm when driven by a Sansui AU 111.

I never detect anything that suggests there is something quite different to my own stacked Array used at 8 Ohm.

Eico HF35’s at more than twice the power and with iron heftier than the HF81- sounds like a really good choice!

We have a number of customers using our S-30 with the old Quads.

@clio09 used to use our M-60s (a bit over-powered) with his.

No worries about what tap to use since OTLs have no output transformer. 

The advantage an OTL has is the higher impedances in the bass, which make the speaker difficult to drive with a lot of amps, do not cause appreciable loss of power. 

On this account I think is why long before I ever got into business, I had heard that Quads and OTLs were the match made in heaven. You do have to be careful with them though, as most OTLs can easily overpower the speaker.  

If the '57s are in good shape, they easily justify a good amplifier. They are quite revealing which is why the speaker is still taken quite seriously even though the design dates (and often the manufacturing dates too) to the 1950s.

The Dynaco ST35, as well as the RM-9 or RM-10 of Modjeski fame, are also excellent amps for this speaker. The older ST35s from the 1960s have 8 and 16 Ohm taps. The newer ones have 8 and 4 Ohms. 

The Sansui AU111 is a very competent amp too- if you don't mind using an integrated amp. It was so good Sansui reproduced it in the 1990s. 

@imintohifi stated "I won't contradict any of the above advice, it's all reasonable."

" Nevertheless, definitely stay away from the types of SS amps cited above, as those amps could fry."

I stand strongly be the suggestion made a Neurochrome Modulus 86 (65W) is an ideal Power Amp' for the Quads. I have a monoblock version of this on loan as I write.

@noromance stated " Surprised to hear that. I tried mine on 4,8, and 16 and found 4 muffled and distorted, while 8 ohms was merely lifeless. 16 ohms is perfect."

For me the 57's are very very likely the most commonly discussed speaker across all audio forums and are commented on as a listening experience having been driven by a huge selection of Amp's.

It is impossible to know how all experiences are able to impress, much is dependent on verbal descriptions.

My first experience of a complete rebuild of a Stacked 57 Array was using Panels 0.5dB matched with a Streamed Source and a Luxman 100 Watt Valve Amp's. I heard enough to encourage me to get on board as they were compared to a single array as well in the demo. I regret not keeping that communication ongoing because that guy was a Quad guru and totally respected by OTA, hence being able to achieve 0.5dB Panel Matching.

I have been more impressed with later listening experiences of other stacked arrays, but I am confident the source used on later experiences are also responsible for the good impressions made.

In the past few years I have been introduced to alternate designs of speaker that have been profound in how the subsequent period from a listening experience has left me doubting the 57's. I am now at a place where I am sure there is more available to my liking, from a different design of a Speaker and am almost at the point of parting with monies for a purchase.