The Aragon sounded great on my 989s. I think the Bedini is a great choice. It was easy to replace caps and still sounded great. Let us know what you decide.
Recommend an amp + pre for ESL 57s and a new turntable (way out of my league)
Hi all, longtime lurker now starting my semi-serious venture into all of this. I was recently gifted a pair of Quad ESL 57s, a Well Tempered Labs Amadeus GTA turntable, and a Miyajima Labs Shilabe cartridge. I need a preamp and amplifier for the system on a budget of ~$1000 - $1500. I currently have an old Harman Kardon Stereo Festival (TA-230) receiver, which is just a cool piece of old, barely working, shits-n-gigs gear I used to drive some junky speakers with in college. It hasn't been plugged in in two years and even if its still works, I don't think it's a great match for my system. What would you recommend? I am most interested in listening to some old mono blues, jazz, and folk LPs I have, and I imagine most of the records I collect in the future will be similar (I know I have a stereo cart, which I've always understood to be fine for this?).
Some guiding questions:
- Seems like a favorite for the ESLs are a pair of heathkit UA-1s. Another that I'm seeing well recommended is the Dyna st35. Thoughts? Does it make sense to spend ~$700 - $1000 on a nice amp and get something more basic for the pre in the $400 range? (Rega fono??)
- Should I get a nicer preamp to match my cart and go with something more basic wrt amplification? Not sure what is good in the way of cheaper(?) amps to drive these speakers.
- In the event that I stretch my budget and wait a bit between buying one and the other (to save back up lol), would I get more out of a ~$1200 amp and the cheapest preamp that will work, or a ~$1200 pre and the cheapest amp that will work? What would the cheapest preamp and amp that "will work" be in the meantime? What would be in the $1200 range for each, respectively?
Thank you if you took the time to read this! I will be cleaning the dust off the Quads in the meantime.
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I've tried a number of amps with my 57's- I won't contradict any of the above advice, it's all reasonable. Just adding my experience to it. My pair was refurbished by One Thing Audio, so the treble response is somewhat extended, and a "clamp board" was added, which lessens the risk posed by overpowering them. Nevertheless, definitely stay away from the types of SS amps cited above, as those amps could fry. Some good vintage tube amps aren't optimal, in my experience. Heathkit UAD-1's, highly recommended by some, are too weak. In a well-damped listening space they break up at volume. Getting above 20W or thereabouts really helps. Good transformers- very good transformers- also makes a difference. My Eico HF-81, while great with many speakers, didn't cut it with the 57's. The midrange is great, but the "grip" on the bass is lacking. A Scott 299B also didn't fare well. Neither did an Anthem Integrated One- enough power, great midrange, but poor bass control. Don't even try SET's. A Bedini 25/25 (pure class-A , runs hot) cleaned up the bass and sounded pretty good, but I was tempted to try a Rogue Atlas, as a "shoot-out" featured on a website between many respected contenders had that amp placed second behind a rare boutique German ASR Emitter (sic). I sprang for a used example (not too expensive) and was finally almost satisfied. All previous issues were vanquished- it sounded really good. My next challenge was to try to fill in the lower bass frequencies that the Quads have trouble with. I tried gently supplementing them with a good sub, but it was hard to get it to feel right. So I switched the KT-88 tubes for KT120's, which definitely helped, without fouling up the midrange magic. I also put them on custom stands to raise them about 18" and make them easier to "aim" the sweetspot, which actually matters more than most amp-matching questions. I'm still curious how a Radford or a Futterman might sound, but I'm skeptical the effort to find great examples of these would be worth it. I can sum up by saying 57's are very amp-dependent, and even those with glowing testimonials may not be best. Experimentation and patience are worth it. Be careful- once you get them dialed in you'll get obsessed with upstream improvements, as you'll really be able to hear the difference they make. |
@imintohifi Indeed. I use modified and refurbished EICO HT-35 (monoblocs) under each ’57. They are superb and respond well to good tubes. @pindac Surprised to hear that. I tried mine on 4,8, and 16 and found 4 muffled and distorted, while 8 ohms was merely lifeless. 16 ohms is perfect. Maybe theirs were in series and yours are wired in parallel,
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We have a number of customers using our S-30 with the old Quads. @clio09 used to use our M-60s (a bit over-powered) with his. No worries about what tap to use since OTLs have no output transformer. The advantage an OTL has is the higher impedances in the bass, which make the speaker difficult to drive with a lot of amps, do not cause appreciable loss of power. On this account I think is why long before I ever got into business, I had heard that Quads and OTLs were the match made in heaven. You do have to be careful with them though, as most OTLs can easily overpower the speaker. If the '57s are in good shape, they easily justify a good amplifier. They are quite revealing which is why the speaker is still taken quite seriously even though the design dates (and often the manufacturing dates too) to the 1950s. The Dynaco ST35, as well as the RM-9 or RM-10 of Modjeski fame, are also excellent amps for this speaker. The older ST35s from the 1960s have 8 and 16 Ohm taps. The newer ones have 8 and 4 Ohms. The Sansui AU111 is a very competent amp too- if you don't mind using an integrated amp. It was so good Sansui reproduced it in the 1990s. |
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