Can You Hear Me Now


In an interview with Laurence Borden of Dagogo, Dr Earl Geddes talked about the ability of people to really have golden ears. In his work at Ford, he tried to gauge how good the ten member golden ear panel was. I will let him tell you his findings. “For the most part the study concluded that this panel was “not capable.” In other words their judgments could not be relied upon to be statistically stable. That said, there were two members of the ten who were capable, so it was possible. But the real point here is that someone is not a good judge of sound quality just because they think that they are – all ten members would have claimed that they were audiophiles and good judges of sound quality.
After several more studies along these same lines, I came to conclude that the more someone claimed to be a “golden ear” the less likely it was that they actually were.”  
That got me thinking: how many of our members would belong to the group of eight and how many would be with the two who could really hear. Interesting reading. The full interview can be found here:
https://www.dagogo.com/an-interview-with-dr-earl-geddes-of-gedlee-llc/
N.B. Dr. Earl Geddes is one of the pioneers of the Distributed Bass Array system. His work on the subject is well known. 
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A bit of a quick ramble, but some might find it useful:


In a study about people, in what would eventually evolve into the modern descriptor called ’dunning-kreuger’ we would end up with a distribution that looks like the following thought experiment that was proven to be the norm.

If I was to stand in front of a podium and crowd..and then step up to the microphone, and say to the crowd, "’some of you are pretty smart", 75% of the people in the crowd would feel that I’m speaking to and about them.

when the reality is that, statistically, the statement applies to only 10% of the given crowd or audience.

It is a standard method of crowd and group control to pander, to make people fall into their own bubble of self as a reflection. the media gives the masses what their mental outlook wants and desires and tries its best to pander cheap intellectual cuing to them, so the crowd can feel smart and in touch with reality and what it is to ’be smart’. media... ego strokes the masses.

In audio, Some go after the audiophile types who believe in differences in cables, small differences in sonic signatures, etc..and think that they are fooling themselves.

Some may be, some may not be. Mostly not, I’d think. Awareness and subtleties in capacity innate to the individual(s), are key here.

In modern application of psychology to propaganda and media for crowd opinion control, it is similar to the audio world.

Where in the audio world we have garish sounding mediocrity posing as high end, so that the crowd of people who’s senses are more blunt, can hear ’detail’ and ’subtleties’ being presented. In media, we throw expected norms, manipulated into being small simple puzzles that the mediocrity of the crowd can unravel, so they think they are smart. To keep the masses bubbled into thinking they are in touch with it all. Entire continents can be shifted this way. And are.

In audio...when those subtleties and details are actually distortions, not true dynamics and microdyanmics. and, if they are there, these subtleties, they are damaged and exaggerated (covered up and replaced, even) by these distortions. Some of us experience such sonic attributes as screechiness, and harshness that we cannot abide. Yet, others don’t hear it, they hear detail. In the same way some don’t recognize beauty unless the bodily features are exaggerated.

One important point not yet well recognized in the world of audio, is that the ear is a sliding, moving, shifting mechanism.. with regard to attention to detail. in the same way we can program our mind with attempts in reasoning, to program our eyes with attempts to find detail, we program our ears to look into sonic landscapes. this is tied to all kinds of psychological and physiological factors, which vary between individuals, and those latter factors are also malleable and shiftable, teachable, etc. We would not have to teach children or anyone, if that was not true.

The ear is slightly unique in the world of human senses. It has an interrupter, called the inner voice. the ego voice, if you will. It’s function in speech recognition is to make human speech recognition faster. You can close your eyes but you can’t close your ears, it is more fundamental like touch, or the more automatic or subconscious, unconscious aspects like moving the body, etc. no speech part is known to exist in these areas. the ego loop inner voice (speech part) thing is the most modern part of the mind, one might say. These descriptors are not entirely accurate but I hope some can get the point.

Before a person speaks or writes (like I am at the time I type this), we organize the words unconsciously, subconsciously, and then repeat them in the mind out loud, in the inner voice, then we speak them out loud. Eg, you can’t read this and cognate this writing..unless.. you visually recognize these bits of light dark contrast as letters, then feel them as a ’word’ and groups of words, and then this comes to you as a subconscious wordless soundless murmur, then the brain sounds them out as words in your head, like hearing a voice, then this is finally cognates as meaning, when we hear this voice inside our heads.

The brain organizes all words you know as beginnings of sound-sets, when we begin cognating a sound. Then it fills in the word quickly, actually before it is fully heard.. and only goes back and corrects, when a mistake has been made/found.

Almost like being at bat playing baseball, and taking a swing at the ball. which is, for the most part, a blind swing enabled by repeated training that is below the conscious senses. Sometimes we call that muscle memory.

The ear/brain has this, in a way, as tied into the word cognating device, the ego loop, the inner voice. We use this (it is overlaid) in music signal recognition, and the whole monkey beat thing. dancing to the beat, etc. ear worms of songs, etc. We overlay expectation of a sound onto the coming sound, as the sounds that have already begun, in our minds. An overlay, if you will... if we are not careful and do not learn to set aside the ear’s specific pattern recognition ego loop function.

This is where people get into not hearing small differences. they are covering it up via this word recognition mechanism the ego loop, the voice in the head, the beat anticipation aspect, becomes loss of cognition of audio signals in their fineness of subtleties and whatnot.

It’s not just a question of physical and mental capacity its also a case of individuals sensitivities to ego loop inner voice overlay of reality with pre-known aspects. Expectation bias is another descriptor. In this case, it is more of a learned pattern overlay problem. Pareidolia for the ear, one might call it. Media and manipulation follows the same pathways. Reinforced norms we can’t easily break out of. The various groups even go as far as to recognize this but accuse the other of falling for it.

The pander point for media and manipulation, if you will. the garishness of beauty, the garishness of some audio gear, mistaken for detail as it is gross and in your face. High end for the masses or less capable. empty the cup, so the new can get in, the Buddhists tell you. otherwise, nothing changes. So much for human intelligence vs instinct.

All tied to the ego loop word recognition speed up mechanism (one place it shows itself). It is essential to the spoken hypnosis method, for example. A method that is sometimes supported additionally with visual techniques, the swinging pendulum, etc. light patterns, other stimulus, etc. Brainwashing techniques are part of this.

We could get down into the weeds of linear thinking mind vs the more open accomplished mind, growth vs static mindsets, speed of cognition vs IQ, engineering vs physics, how this evolved into the Bavarian rote-repetition-dictate academic teaching method (which initiated the engineering class..it began in Bavaria in the early/mid 1700's)...the programming of minds, which created the engineering masses. 

Engineering as a class of people, as a class of minds, as a class of intellect and capacity... was created to help the more common mind than is the more rare renaissance type. It was about helping linear projecting minds, the type that are necessary for religion to work..to help that type be useful to the building out of the modern world.  engineering and rote learning in high level academia as made for taking this larger mass of more common minds and mindsets. Seriously. I kid you not.

this is how you get things like audio science review projecting upon the more capable that that capable group is full of it and the linear aspect of rote repetition is somehow more important to the world than innate capacity and the reason tied to higher levels of thinking and thought. Audio science review is tied directly to the psychology of the fundamental of religion (via the Bavarian academic method), yet they know not about any aspect of  their own. Again. More Bruno vs the Church than a grown man can take.

To write at length on all these contexts and all kinds of stuff that is hugely relevant to the audiophile ’believers vs haters’ question sets.

A person would be here writing all day.

Years ago, I had a pretty good ear. I would not want to be tested for frequency response or repeatability because other factors might influence my results. I'm not a lab animal but on a good day my hearing was very discriminating. 
@oldhvymec 



I wasn’t asking a question, just pointing out a rather interesting interview that can generate some introspection in some of us. 
Oh well so much for banking on claims of golden ears.  Hopefully the ears are at least clean as a minimum requirement.