Crazy crazy crazy


If we ever get through all this craziness and Axpona kicks back up meet me on the second floor at the bar. I’m buying the first round. Stay safe friends.
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One final set of comments.  “early in 2020….When the sick and dead did not pile up anywhere near what we were told..”  Oh, but they have far exceeded those early death and case rate estimates.

 

“It responds to some or all of the various molecular shapes that comprise the virus”.   The immune system responds to the proteins/macromolecules expressed on the surface of the viral envelope/coat.

 

I agree, native immunity is likely better than vaccinated immunity, but to achieve it, you need to risk your life and become infected.

 

“But then some years ago the definition changed!”  No, science advanced to the point where we can readily synthesize proteins and macromolecules to use as an antigens.  We no longer need to risk patients lives by using attenuated viruses.  We no longer need to be limited to roots and plant extracts for medications since we can synthesize specific drug compounds to use as drugs also.  The original polio vaccine production and usage were temporarily halted when children were killed by improperly attenuation in one of the production facilities that manufactured the vaccine in the 1950s.

 

“The truth is that by any honest scientifically based definition the so-called "vaccines" are not vaccines at all”.   Not sure how you come up with that truth, so I will assume it belongs to you and you alone.  Everyone else in the entire whole world agrees and refers to the mRNA vaccines as vaccines.  We discussed this before, and I am surprised you keep bringing it up.

 

“Go do a little research, learn about mRNA. Messenger RNA is like a genetic program that tells the DNA in your cell nucleus to make something. In this case it is telling your cells to make a molecule that resembles covid.”   Again, not correct at all.  Under normal circumstances our the DNA in our nuclei codes for and synthesizes specific human mRNAs in the nucleus.  The mRNA is then transported out of the nucleus into the cytosol where your protein synthesis apparatus begins to make human protein off of the instructions of the mRNA strand.  The resulting protein is used inside the cell or shipped outside of the cell for use elsewhere as necessary.  In the case of the mRNA vaccine, the mRNA vaccine coding for the Covid spike protein is injected and the lipid vesicle mRNA “package” allows the mRNA to penetrate the lipid cell membranes of human cells.  The mRNA directly enters the cytoplasm of a human cell and utilizes the human cell protein synthesis machinery to make spike protein which is shipped out into the extracellular space/bloodstream, where your immune system recognizes it and mounts an immune response to the Covid spike protein.  The mRNA never enters you nuclei, and never alters your DNA in any way.   Your nucleus and your DNA simply is not involved in this process.  The mRNA is so labile that it gets degraded by your cells within hours.


@jond   Thank you for a breath--a gust--of fresh air in this often stifling thread.  It's reaffirming to discover there are some level-headed people out there.
The spike protein is toxic and dont stay in the arm....

Nobody knows the long term effect of this new technology which is not what we called a vaccines in the past...

You seems to know that this technology is safe BEFORE any long term experiments...Are you God or Dr.Fauci? I prefer to listen to Dr. Robert malone cautiousness who is against forceful mass vaccination...He created this technology and guess what? Perhaps he knows better than your conformist and preaching rant behing corporate interests...

The truth is nobody KNOWS....Save God....

No, science advanced to the point where we can readily synthesize proteins and macromolecules to use as an antigens. We no longer need to risk patients lives by using attenuated viruses.
Science new drugs are in no way able to replace the illimited numbers of new molecules in nature....



My point all along has never been political , i live in quebec not US...And in quebec also forced vaccination is the insane "politic"...I cannot buy ivermectin here also nor look for a doctor able to prescribe me a treatment because they are ALL in fear to loose their permit to works... Do you know that?

My point is the FORCEFUL MANDATE TO MASS VACCINATION is stupid and irrational....Especially when treatment exist for most of us which are not in the risks groups : young people and people under 70, or those with an healthy immune system...

Treatments were censored....This is a FACT....

Then promoting mass vaccination like you did is unqualified irrationality or programmed politically...

The only rational solutions are using vaxx for at risk people and low cost treatments for the others...

Using fears and force and pressure to use ONLY vaxx is CRIMINAL and pure stupidity....

Your discourse about the " all powerful" new science cannot replace reason and common sense...

You can mimic reason with untruth like vaxx are safe , but you cannot replace it...We dont know yet if these vaxx are safe sorry....

Then in a pandemy we must use these vaxx with cautions for the  groups at  risk, never ever MASSIVELY....Treatments exist why erasing them ? 


Between you and me the politically driven one is you.... Trump boast to have created these vaxx and Biden force everyone to be jab.... The 2 are complete lunatics....
I am going to say this for the last time, and then gonna take my leave. The study I presented is a statistical analysis of publicly available and verifiable data. The researchers took data put out by world Governments, and the CDC, and plotted it on a graph.
It is not some esoteric experiment that the lay person cannot repeat, or a controlled study where the parameters or control groups can be manipulated.
It is PUBLICLY AVAILABLE VERIFIABLE DATA, that you can gather on your own, that is coming straight from the authorities themselves.

This study is not open to interpretation, so unless you are saying that these numbers are fraudulent, this "IS" the correlation between vaccine uptake and...Deaths, Cases and Hospitalizations. All have gone up in places with higher vaccine uptake, tooooo many data points are present to be skewed by individual or regional irregularities.