Woofer pumping possibly due to tube amp when playing vinyl


I am moving this issue  to this forum because of what I discovered this weekend.

I’ve been trying to figure out why I have woofer pumping when I play vinyl, and for the last two weeks I’ve been messing with my vinyl rig trying to figure out what is causing the issue.  The woofer pumping seems to be more prevalent with the vertical up-and-down movements of the tonearm regardless of which turntable is being played. It appears it happens more at the outer edge of the record then the inner grooves.  I assume this is because record is more warped at the outer edges. The woofer pumping happens even in quite passages, so it’s not noise induced vibration affecting the turntable. 

 I have used two different turntables to try to figure this out, one is a pioneer PL 530, and the other is a VPI prime. both with different carts. Also, I have verified that all the carts being used on these turntables work well together with their respective arms.

However, it is not the turntable or cartridges. 

Things I can say for certain, it is not the turntable because I switched turntables with different cartridges to confirm this, and I still get the woofer pumping.  It is not a phono preamp because I’ve switched several phono preamp‘s, solid state and tube, and I still get the woofer pumping. It appears it is the tube amp that may be at cause. It’s the only component left of the chain. 
I have a Audio Research  Classic 60 amp. I got the amp used but it came with a new set of power tubes I don’t recall if I changed the four smaller driver tubes,  I also change the four large capacitors to new capacitors and biased the amp. 
The interesting thing is, with the TT’s I tried, it is the right channel that pumps more than the left channel, regardless of the variety of different cartridges tried, all aligned with AS Smartractor.

To be certain it was limited to vinyl playback, I plugged in a CD player and I do not get the woofer pumping at all. So I have a couple theories (1) the TT is just transferring subsonic frequencies from the records, ALL records I play do this.  Please remember, this is from the two different turntables being used, one a VPI prime belt driven, and the other a pioneer PL 510 Direct DrIve,  or (2) there’s some weird thing going on at the amp that I cannot explain. 
My question is, if there is something going on with the amp could it be a tube issue, or capacitor issue, or a biasing issue.  If so what is the most likely culprit.  Or I guess something else altogether. 
In the end I’m rather tired of chasing this ghost, and I would rather not use a subsonic filter if possible. If I do have to use a subsonic filter I want the most transparent one if such a thing exists. I’ve heard mixed results about the KAB unit. 
last_lemming
"...it is not the turntable or cartridges..."
"...To be certain it was limited to vinyl playback..."

A bit of discrepancy in your conclusion but the cause is typically the ultra low frequency rumble from the turntable/cartridge combination. Check the Analog section or do a search. Lots of discussions and recommendations on this very subject.
I meant ALL my TT’s do it with ALL carts - exactly the same. What are the chances of duplicating the issue between to different TT’s and different carts. 
Also the carts compliance works with the arms, so there is no mismatch to be concerned here.

What,  I’m saying it’s VERY unlikely linked to an issue with the TT itself, but has to do with the subsonics coming off the record that both TT’s are picking up.

I can’t discount your thoughts about the clamp, but how would this affect the outer edge of the record where there is no clamp.
I use a heavy record weight - which I know you say is no good - but it firmly holds the record onto the deer hide mat.
I’ve also tried several matts to no avail.
You’re definitely right about one thing, it’s not the amp, I just pulled out my old CJ MF2100, and I get it there too. So there goes that theory.

I’m right about everything. All you have to do is read what I write.
last_lemming:
how would this affect the outer edge of the record where there is no clamp.

millercarbon:
My record clamp is dished out inside, so as its clamped down it presses the record down onto the platter from the outside edge in.

Got it? From the outside edge in.

last_lemming:
I use a heavy record weight - which I know you say is no good - but it firmly holds the record onto the deer hide mat.
Where did I say deer hide mat?  
millercarbon:
as its clamped down it presses the record down onto the platter
See? Platter. Not mat. Platter. Ditch the deer hide mat.

last_lemming:
I’ve also tried several matts to no avail.

Yes, because that is part of the problem. Ditch ALL mats.