Cheap starter system for kids


A friend who is definitely not an audiophile has two kids who have gotten into vinyl using some junky all-in-one turntables that just now broke. He wanted my advice on helping them put together their new systems but definitely isn’t ready to jump into the deep end just yet.

I generally enjoy the game of building theoretical systems from scratch so hoped some of you would too. The system needs to be for beginners in their tweens/early teens, include a turntable, be relatively compact as it goes in a bedroom, does not need deep bass to avoid annoying their mom, and it needs to be as cheap as you can get with still good sound quality (he hasn’t given me a sure budget yet but definitely under $1k and the lower the better). He’s only comfortable with new/refurbished gear rather than used or vintage.

So far I’m leaning towards:
Turntable:
Project debut carbon - $400
or
Rega P1 - $475

Phono:
Schiit Mani - $130
or
Cambridge Alva Solo - $180 (if he’d rather pay $50 to avoid all the Schiit jokes from a tween boy)

Speakers: Audioengine HD3 - $350

Look forward to your ideas & comments.
ethos123

msafrick
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05-13-2020 9:30am
I have the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon.

They come with clear spot tape. If you don't install the tape the lid will fall off. They do teach how to handle a manual tonearm though.. I learned when I was just 6 or so.. 59 years ago..LOL. A Garrard 301/Grace tonearm..

RUSSCO TT bullet proof. you can't break it. I forgot about those. I have 6 or 8 QRC, Russco, Sparta.. VERY COOL TT. I gotta post some pictures, of the Broadcast and Transcription TT, collection.. Tons of fun.. I'll bet the kids and the parents would love it... I call them Garrard Killers, Massive... 100-1000.00 usd Motors look like washing machine motors. Tone arm boards too.

They come with a little onboard tube preamp sometimes, too, BUT open wiring on the bottom, gotta be on a good plinth, I make mine out of oak stair flats, 40-60 lbs, 28.00 dollars, takes two. I use Queen Ann Legs, very classy looking.  You can use multi tonearms too. EASY swap.
Plinth or Tonearm mount.

24/7 for 30 years....easy maint too.

Regards
Look into the Parasound Z series of systems.  Really amazing performance in small packages.
Thanks for all the input. Unfortunately for those who recommended used gear, the buyer here is definitely not comfortable with that even though its probably the best value.

I'm definitely not locked in to powered speakers, but my friend has heard AE HD3s on my computer at work so I was just leaning towards whats familiar to both of us. I considered the Elac B6s paired with an amp or receiver, but I haven't heard them in person yet...still trying to gauge how complicated they'd be comfortable with the systems being and powered speakers keep it super simple plus add bluetooth (not that there aren't other options for that) to let them and their friends play stuff they don't have on vinyl.

Since dad isn't himself familiar with audiophile gear, the many suggestions for a TT with built-in phono preamp are probably a good idea too for the simplicity mentioned above...or at least a amp/receiver with phono input if we do go for passive speakers

I know turntables and kids don't always mix, so the idea of going a bit more robust with a DJ style TT like the Pioneer PLX-500 or Audiotechnica LP-120 might be wise...or perhaps automatic (Denon DP-300F)??

Appreciate all the opinions/suggestions. Thanks
DJ turntables are mostly rubbish, except for Technics (the leader of the industry for decades) and recently a Pioneer and Denon as alternative, please ignore any others, they are not good!

Buy what professionals are using (not amateurs), even if you think they are looks the same they are not the same at all. Every brand tried to clone Technics and make it cheaper (bad idea).

Technics is the best you can get and this is actually great Hi-Fi component (the mk7 is what you have to look for) ! Don’t be afraid to pay a bit more for it, you’re paying for the quality and this turntable can be used for 30 years.

Pioneer and Denon re not bad, especially for kids.

They are easy to re-sell, but those can be used for a very long time and kids will not destroy them.

You can have new Technics mk7 (this is the best of them all).
Pioneer PLX1000 as alternative
or Denon VL12

P.S. Don't even think about belt-drive when you're buyin turntable for kids, it will be destroyed quickly :)) 

If it were me in this scenario and I didn't want one of the newer, cheaper belt drives, I'd go for something from this guy.

https://horiatis76.com/

He sells fully refurbished decks, often with new dust covers, interconnects and stylus (if needed).  I don't personally have experience buying from him but he's been at this a long time... and the higher end stuff goes quickly.

But right now he has a nice selection of lower end DD tables, and I'd think any of them would work well for kids just getting into this stupid hobby. ;)

Yea I get that your friend isn't into used but I think this is a pretty safe option.