There's a lot more bass in a 6.5" driver than most of you think


One topic of discussion I often see new audiophiles touch on is whether to get larger speakers for more bass.

I usually suggest they tune the room first, then re-evaluate. This is based on listening and measurement in several apartments I’ve lived in. Bigger speakers can be nothing but trouble if the room is not ready.


In particular, I often claim that the right room treatment can make smaller speakers behave much larger. So, to back up my claims I’d like to submit to you my recent blog post here:

https://speakermakersjourney.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-snr-1-room-response-and-roon.html


Look at the bass response from those little drivers! :)


I admit for a lot of listeners these speakers won’t seem as punchy as you might like, but for an apartment dweller who does 50/50 music and theater they are ideal for me. If you’d like punchy, talk to Fritz who aligns his drivers with more oomf in the bass.


erik_squires
@three_easy... Actually, one Can 'do art' with 1 color...but that's a different discussion for another forum.  And really a network time waster that we shan't launch into Here....*G* ;)

@erik_squires ....Thank You. *S*  I've been concentrating my foray into a smaller Walsh DIY driver based on 6" drivers.  The properly sized (proportional) and shaped cone works out to the surface area of approx. a 9" dia. cone of 'conventional' design....and it works. *S*

Bass? Yes....Lower frequencies?  Not really....without opting to the current 'Ohm' configurations, MHO is I'm 'asking' a larger cone to be a 'one-trick pony' and do Everything.  Flawlessly.

Not likely.  And that's why I hand off those fq. to....Yes, a 6" sub. *G*

More accurate, controlled response.  It's the only thing that can 'keep pace' with my Heil AMT's.

I have noticed that if one desires 'room-filling' bass lines in a larger space, you'll likely opt for a larger sub driver.  You need to induce more 'air motion' into said space to create the same effect.  'Big' for 'big'....

It's all a 'work in progress', but I'm emboldened by the response of a listener when exposed to my Walsh 2-ways vs. a pair of small Maggie's...

"Which do you prefer?"

"Yours....sound more 'real'."

I Will carry on....;)
I work in a high end store, but do not care to pay the cost for anything we sell, even at half retail.  So I built speakers using components from Parts Express, including their pre-fab crossovers.  I used the 4 ohm Reference Series 7" aluminum cone woofer, and their 1 cu. ft. cabinet (since discontinued) with a vented alignment with an f3 of 39 Hz.  With room gain, I'm measuring into the mid-30s and it sounds it...very solid not muddy at all.  I settled on Morel's integrated "Twee-Mid" and made the system bi-ampable.  With zero engineering, but a lot of experience in audio, I came up with something I feel closely conveys the sound I hear at Boston Symphony Hall when I play live recordings of concerts I actually attended and heard performed live.  To me that's the gold standard.
I took my home-brew speakers in to the store and compared them to a variety of contenders...they held up rather well.  They did not perform up to my personal favorite, the Focal Sopra No.1, but they cost me one third of what those would...at half price!
I write this to support the OP's claim that satisfying bass can be obtained with relatively small woofers.  But also to remind that a reasonable cabinet volume is needed...mini monitors mine ain't...and that room size is a factor...mine is only 2000 cu. ft. (plus openings to other spaces).
With room gain, I'm measuring into the mid-30s and it sounds it...very solid not muddy at all.


@Crustycoot

That's what I'm talking about. Smaller speakers can integrate a lot better into a room, and leave you more satisfied with less effort.  The combination of better matching the room gain, plus not disturbing the dragons in the depths (room modes) is a big big win for a lot of consumers.

There are a lot of ways of getting great, deeper bass in a room, but they don't come easy and they don't come cheap.


Best,
E

BTW, anyone notice how damn smooth that bass response is??


Ty GIK acoustics and a semi-open room. :)
There seems to be some confusion in a couple of post of bass vs sub bass,  as Erik posted,   he is 100 percent accurate. 

Looking at specifically a 6 1/2. 
There is a problem on moving air for real impact in larger rooms.... Of course Erik qualified Apartment dwellers or some home theater use. 
To get a 6 1/2 to truly go down (and you can),  it requires some mass to get the fs down, which kills sensitivity,  it then requires some good excursion limits and decent size coil to get some power handling..... Its a real balancing act to create a 6 1/2 that does it all as far as just a sub bass perspective.  
Of course multiple drivers move more air,  several 6 1/2's could make a very good sub.... I used multiple 4 inch at one time just to make a point.... I had several 4 inch in series/parallel configuration that would get into the mid 20's.  
In general,  a good 6 will get you into the mid 30's and do a very good job for bass through midrange until your room just gets too big and needs more cone area to move more air.