Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
jafant
Unsound - I am being excruciatingly careful to avoid editorializing the sound. We called what many brands do "euphonic engineering" - to knowingly alter the sound-field for desired illusions.
A look behind the curtain: I used my modified CS1.6s as sound reinforcement for a live acoustic concert last night in our 12,000 cubic foot Village Arts Center. As usual during sound check, I compare the unamplified house sound to that in the headphones (Beyer770Pro), to that through the speakers. The naturalness was comment and question-worthy from the musicians, two attendees and the house manager. To date there are no changes to drivers or electronics or cabinet walls. The baffle surfaces have been modified for a qualitative improvement which genuinely pleases and encourages me. 
Tom,

You've talked me into a pair of 800s cans.  Thanks!!
So now I have the  008s and the  800s .Really causes a dilemma, as both are excellent. I'll still use the electrostatics to check new CD s, but most likely will use the 800s for pleasurable listening, as they make the soundstage in the 600s appear cramped, and with less HF resolution. (Female voices sound much better.)

George 


@tomethiel, I'm sure you'll do a fine job. I think have more of an issue with the concept description than the actual work. After your experience with Dunlavy, what do you think of using soft surfaces instead of hard surfaces on the baffles?
Unsound - I think you took issue with my paradigm restatement (but I could be wrong.) I see a paradigm as a lens through which to view the territory under exploration. The values and results might not be challenged or changed. What changes is the perspective, the point of view. I came to realize that 80% of my CDs were not suitable for sharing or showing off or enjoying. I am adopting a new paradigm which takes responsibility for that situation.
Regarding Dunlavy, I had issues with John's approach (my exposure was late 90s). I didn't fall in love with his products. And soft baffles were just part of his rather inclusive approach. His cabinets had sharp corners and I could hear them more than Thiels'. Of parallel meaning to me is the early Vandersteen baffle-less cabinets, which reminded me of my own early work of hearing and minimizing diffraction effects. I liked the rounded edge solutions we developed at Thiel and those solutions were later refined with larger radius easing. But that seems to have been the end of the story, and it shouldn't have been, and wouldn't have been if I had stayed at Thiel.

My "Realizing the Artists' Dream" paradigm encouraged me to pursue why and by what methods the V and D products attracted so many avid adopters. Both brands were enormously successful compared to Thiel's limited appeal. Last summer, my explorations got serious when reading cabinet wall vibrations with a stethoscope and found significant chatter on the CS3.6s baffles. The baffles weren't moving detectably at 3" well braced thickness. The noise was on the surface. That noise sounded a lot like the "hardness" attributed to Thiel products at high volume and musical complexity; and the 3.6 was far worse than the 2.2, which was worse than the PowerPoint1.2. I gradually came to terms with accepting responsibility for whatever I might find - easier since I was personally involved with 2.2 and 3.6 cabinet development.
I am now several iterations deep into soft, layered overlays on Thiel's curved baffles. The results are different than my assumptions predicted, and very encouraging. My work is also informed via previous work with laminar and turbulent flow management. So, I am thinking and experimenting a lot with "soft" baffles.

Presently I seek out any and all CDs, regardless of pedigree, to learn what they might teach. And I am constantly surprised that nearly all of them pull me into their Artists' Dream, their musicality and charm. I cross-check every cut with Cans and stock 2.2s and 1.6s, stock and modified.

Regarding Andy's point of cost. Indeed products are limited by their budgets. Part of the appeal of this exploration is that an effective solution will cost less than premium components and wire; plus the improvements are in parallel to those electronic improvements. Not either-or, but both-and.