Thiel Owners

The 'sub problem' is what drove Jim to take the bass as deep as possible in each model - because subs are inherently difficult. Bass is a problem in most rooms, regardless of what makes it. Many manufacturers side-step the problem by attenuating the bass and complementarily the top end for easier room integration. One of the factors for migrating from sealed to ported (and passive radiator) bass is that the ported bottom dies faster and therefore stimulates room modes less.

Jim to take the bass as deep as possible in each model - because subs are inherently difficult.

The CS2.4 has useful output down to ~30 Hz. The 3-series down to upper 20s. The CS7.2 down to the mid 20s. Compare those to the lowest fundamentals of all but an organ:http://acousticslab.org/psychoacoustics/PMFiles/Module05.htm
Until I win the lottery, I'm going to put my money where >99% of the musical content is.

I once heard the Wilson W/P 7. On a live recording, it produced an eery facsimile of the hall. I've never heard anything quite like it and I initially ascribed it to the Wilson's low bass. But, while that model does have some useful sub 30 energy, turns out I was hearing the Wilson mid-bass hump; a pleasing *coloration*!

hi fitter468,

I have both 3.6's and CS5's. 

Both are very good.

To my ear, the CS5's are much better in the treble and high mids.

FWIW

Thanks for listening,

Dsper

These speakers are really good and therefore have to be matched with really good electronics.   If there are flaws in the preceding components, cables, etc. they will be exposed.  Thiels can be wonderful or really annoying if great care is not observed.

beetlemania,

Until I win the lottery, I'm going to put my money where >99% of the musical content is. 

That makes sense in one way of course.  But it does miss some of the major reasons why people integrate subwoofers.  A sub tends to change (and if done right, enhance) the sound almost across the board on content, even when there isn't obvious deep bass content.  Having experimented with my subs, I've found that to be true.  In most content soundstaging and dimensionality increase when the subs are on.  And then there is the purported benefits of crossing over the low frequencies to a sub,.   Relieving the main speakers of doing the low frequencies is supposed to lower distortion in the main speakers, make for better performance, more dynamic, less restrained etc.

I haven't tried using a crossover yet so I can't give my own report on that, but I do have a great crossover to try, so I'll report how things sound if I ever get around to adding my subs :)